The "Crew Security" Thread (merged)
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Wefeedumall, Thanks for that....
Everybody reading this please sign below!
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/airside/
Everybody reading this please sign below!
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/airside/
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Guys, this important petition is for UK residents only. International pilots such as me are affected by this insanity when flying to/from the UK also, albeit not on a daily basis like you guys. Accordingly, anyone know how we can sign this petition also? Thanks.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/airside/
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JetSet Lady, sorry to be crude about it but get your boyfriend to provide the dressing next time.
If the security staff have to abide by the same rules as we do then how come I see them drinking Lucozade, Cola, fruit drinks from cardboard cartons etc? They most certainly do not have the same restrictions as we aircrew, in spite of what some security posters might be telling us. The rules may be the same but the observance most certainly is not.
I have come to the conclusion that the whole thing is now a farce of nonsensical proportions and no-one in a position of authority has the guts to question it. It is the Emporers' new clothes all over again.
btw, could whoever posted the on line Gov't petition correct the spelling for 'carrying', please?
If the security staff have to abide by the same rules as we do then how come I see them drinking Lucozade, Cola, fruit drinks from cardboard cartons etc? They most certainly do not have the same restrictions as we aircrew, in spite of what some security posters might be telling us. The rules may be the same but the observance most certainly is not.
I have come to the conclusion that the whole thing is now a farce of nonsensical proportions and no-one in a position of authority has the guts to question it. It is the Emporers' new clothes all over again.
btw, could whoever posted the on line Gov't petition correct the spelling for 'carrying', please?
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As the security people checking us all are so concerned about explosives, what protection is provided for them in the event that a suicide bomber masquerading as a member of staff decides to blow himself/herself up at the security check-point?
Surely the authorities must provide protective barriers (bombproof) at the least, to protect their staff and the innocent pilots/cabin crew/staff who are going through the checks at the time.
If the threat is serious, it does not stop at detection.
Surely the authorities must provide protective barriers (bombproof) at the least, to protect their staff and the innocent pilots/cabin crew/staff who are going through the checks at the time.
If the threat is serious, it does not stop at detection.
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Exellent idea! But who pays? Half the aircrew on lo-cost's have no airport id because they won't pay the £80 to £100, so I don't suppose they will want to pay for more expensive bio-metric versions.
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Roy,
Don`t think they are concerned with a detection. Went through Manch last week. One of the CC stopped, had forgotten to put a roll on deodourant in a plastic bag with other stuff. (Hands up and apologised). But then she wasn`t allowed to put it in the plastic bag with her other stuff in the security area. She would have to leave the area and then come back once it was done.
So if she had have been carry something to endanger us she could have then got rid of it outside the security area.
Then when she came back through she was subjected to a test of the contents of the plastic back with their new testing kit. Not a very scientific way of testing especially when the security guard knocks the testing strip upside down onto a table during the test.
Don`t think they are concerned with a detection. Went through Manch last week. One of the CC stopped, had forgotten to put a roll on deodourant in a plastic bag with other stuff. (Hands up and apologised). But then she wasn`t allowed to put it in the plastic bag with her other stuff in the security area. She would have to leave the area and then come back once it was done.
So if she had have been carry something to endanger us she could have then got rid of it outside the security area.
Then when she came back through she was subjected to a test of the contents of the plastic back with their new testing kit. Not a very scientific way of testing especially when the security guard knocks the testing strip upside down onto a table during the test.
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But then she wasn`t allowed to put it in the plastic bag with her other stuff in the security area. She would have to leave the area and then come back once it was done.
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Did ask what he was testing for?
"Explosives"
"Yes but what sort?"
"Explosives!"
He then refered me to the manual next to his "exstensive testing kit" pointing at various pages.
Perhaps some training may be required if security staff are to be asked to undertake these tasks.
Gave up trying to argue....our passengers were delayed enough as it is.
"Explosives"
"Yes but what sort?"
"Explosives!"
He then refered me to the manual next to his "exstensive testing kit" pointing at various pages.
Perhaps some training may be required if security staff are to be asked to undertake these tasks.
Gave up trying to argue....our passengers were delayed enough as it is.
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IF I was a terrorist
IF I was even the dimmest of terrorists, I would know exactly what happens at a security gate in any airport.
So, I would bring nothing suspicious with me in order to gain entry as aircrew, provided I had some uniform, forged ID or other.
Therefore I ask, what in the name of terrorism - searching any aircrew - is any use to the "idiots at security"?
The whole point is that I, the genuine aircrew have control ALREADY, as soon as you let me through.
An idiot terrorist has a more difficult job to take my seat at this moment of getting through. He has no crew, no aircraft and so has to do something drastic to gain control. That may well be spotted even by a cleaner. How many loose terrorists have we seen so far??? Zilch.
So back at the security gate, why give me a hard time if you're going to let me through anyway, even after you take my semtex sandwich away? Remember I have control as soon as you allow me in, with suicidal tendencies I wouldn't even be hungry!
So why on earth couldn't I be allowed to bring a b****y couldron of sloppy Goulash with me, as all it's gonna help me do, is fart!
LET AIRCREW GO! (yes I signed it).
So, I would bring nothing suspicious with me in order to gain entry as aircrew, provided I had some uniform, forged ID or other.
Therefore I ask, what in the name of terrorism - searching any aircrew - is any use to the "idiots at security"?
The whole point is that I, the genuine aircrew have control ALREADY, as soon as you let me through.
An idiot terrorist has a more difficult job to take my seat at this moment of getting through. He has no crew, no aircraft and so has to do something drastic to gain control. That may well be spotted even by a cleaner. How many loose terrorists have we seen so far??? Zilch.
So back at the security gate, why give me a hard time if you're going to let me through anyway, even after you take my semtex sandwich away? Remember I have control as soon as you allow me in, with suicidal tendencies I wouldn't even be hungry!
So why on earth couldn't I be allowed to bring a b****y couldron of sloppy Goulash with me, as all it's gonna help me do, is fart!
LET AIRCREW GO! (yes I signed it).
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BoingBoing reader and Citizen Security Analyst jesse says,
"A couple weeks ago my family came to New York, where I live, from my hometown near Salt Lake City. Before leaving, my mother had purchased a small tube of lotion and put it in her purse. When she got to the security checkpoint at the airport, she realized she still had the lotion. She handed it over to the TSA worker who told her that it would be donated to a local homeless shelter. Could it be that the FAA ban on liquids is really a plot to rid the country of homeless people, through the use of explosive liquids?"
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Security restrictions are essential to safe travel
Ther are very valid reasons to have restrictions on flights in todays world. If there was to be a terrorist attack with liquid bombs the airline industry would suffer greatly, ALot of airlines would go bankrupt as public confidence would suffer and people would not fly unless completely essential to do so, like what happened post 9 - 11.
The information below is an actual incident that happened. The liquid was hid in a drinking water bottle. A mini explosion is enough to cause decompression of an aircraft resulting in a catastrofic losses.
security is a nesessary evil in todays civil aiation world. It is something that is there to protect us all from suffering another 9 - 11. May be we should all think twice before we patition any authority!
On December 11, 1994, Flight 434 was on its second leg from Cebu to Tokyo when a bomb exploded, killing one passenger. Authorities later discovered that a passenger on the aircraft’s preceding leg was Ramzi Yousef, who United States authorities have branded a master Al-Qaida bomber and terrorist. He was later convicted of the first World Trade Center bombing, for which he was sentanced to death by lethal injection. Yousef boarded the flight under an assumed name…
US prosecutors said the device was a “Mark II” “microbomb” constructed using Casio digital watches as described in Phase I of Operation Bojinka of which this was a test. On Flight 434, Yousef used one tenth of the explosive power he planned to use on eleven U.S. airliners in January of 1995. The bomb was designed to slip through airport security checks undetected. The explosive used was liquid nitroglycerin, which was disguised as a bottle of contact lens fluid. The wires he used were hidden in the heel of his shoe.
The information below is an actual incident that happened. The liquid was hid in a drinking water bottle. A mini explosion is enough to cause decompression of an aircraft resulting in a catastrofic losses.
security is a nesessary evil in todays civil aiation world. It is something that is there to protect us all from suffering another 9 - 11. May be we should all think twice before we patition any authority!
On December 11, 1994, Flight 434 was on its second leg from Cebu to Tokyo when a bomb exploded, killing one passenger. Authorities later discovered that a passenger on the aircraft’s preceding leg was Ramzi Yousef, who United States authorities have branded a master Al-Qaida bomber and terrorist. He was later convicted of the first World Trade Center bombing, for which he was sentanced to death by lethal injection. Yousef boarded the flight under an assumed name…
US prosecutors said the device was a “Mark II” “microbomb” constructed using Casio digital watches as described in Phase I of Operation Bojinka of which this was a test. On Flight 434, Yousef used one tenth of the explosive power he planned to use on eleven U.S. airliners in January of 1995. The bomb was designed to slip through airport security checks undetected. The explosive used was liquid nitroglycerin, which was disguised as a bottle of contact lens fluid. The wires he used were hidden in the heel of his shoe.
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The Ters have won
They've just achieved their goal my causing pure unadulterated mayhem to all and sundry in the air transport industry. Goal achieved I would say, 'tis about time there were some real security applications applied, not just using numptys. Have some real humint applied.
What BAA are telling Politicians/DfT
You should know that BAA (bless them) are telling the politicos that some of the airport delays are due to the "bad behaviour" of Flight and Cabin crew. Don't you just love them?
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It's in the Op Order............
As the security people checking us all are so concerned about explosives, what protection is provided for them in the event that a suicide bomber masquerading as a member of staff decides to blow himself/herself up at the security check-point?
Actually that is Exactly what is happening in Iraq, no need to go through security, just blow up in front of it. And still the authorities blindly plod on..................................
Actually that is Exactly what is happening in Iraq, no need to go through security, just blow up in front of it. And still the authorities blindly plod on..................................
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it´s very easy, they want war, give them war: get to security and start dropping all your liquids into the counter, tooth paste, cologne, deodorant, listerine... after 20-30 guys doing the same I dont´think they will try it agian, do it daily, everybody. I am f.... tyred of stupid politicos that no nothing about security.
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I am paying cargo, and always hate flying through Heathrow, I have never meet a bunch of job worths in my life. I totally disagree with the only one bag policy, especially when you have your overnight gear, in case your luggage gets lost, and a laptop. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able to take two bags! If they think it is conjestion at the screening points, then how about they put more staff on. The stupid thing is that a handbag is often considered an extra bag. Security at heathrow annoy the hell out of me, mainly cause see heaps of other people having problems getting through as well, and yet they don't offer any help.
On time, I was going through heathrow, and noticed that there was a big pair of dress maker scissors sitting on a bench at a retailers. Had brought it up with security, and their response was, we have got no control over the retailers, only to say that he would ask the retailer to make sure that they aren't on the bench.
Now, my question was this. What would have happened if the scissors had gone missing. I bet that if they did go missing, no one would have brought up the fact that they were missing. Somehow don't think they would have shut down heathrow that is for sure, which is what they should have done. A good thing though is that the terrorists we are dealing with aren't the most clever people in the world.
What shocks me more, is the fact that there is very little checks on identity. I was absolutely shocked on my first trip to the UK, when other than check in, and boarding the aircraft, no other checks were done.
On time, I was going through heathrow, and noticed that there was a big pair of dress maker scissors sitting on a bench at a retailers. Had brought it up with security, and their response was, we have got no control over the retailers, only to say that he would ask the retailer to make sure that they aren't on the bench.
Now, my question was this. What would have happened if the scissors had gone missing. I bet that if they did go missing, no one would have brought up the fact that they were missing. Somehow don't think they would have shut down heathrow that is for sure, which is what they should have done. A good thing though is that the terrorists we are dealing with aren't the most clever people in the world.
What shocks me more, is the fact that there is very little checks on identity. I was absolutely shocked on my first trip to the UK, when other than check in, and boarding the aircraft, no other checks were done.