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Old 7th Apr 2007, 12:03
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Swearing grounds NWA jet

Las Vegas-to-Detroit flight is canceled after passengers complain about pilot's foul language.

Iveory Perkins / The Detroit News

The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating a Northwest Airlines pilot who locked himself inside an airplane lavatory while screaming obscenities before the flight was scheduled to take off for Detroit from Las Vegas on Friday.

As passengers boarded Northwest Flight 1190 at McCarran International Airport they heard the captain shouting curse words.

Transportation Security Administration workers responded to the incident and noticed the pilot was "acting strange," FAA spokesman Ian Gregor told The Detroit News.

"He entered the forward lavatory, locked the door and continued his animated conversation, but passengers who were boarding could hear the end of the conversation," Gregor said. "At some point he came out and a passenger confronted him about his demeanor and actions," Gregor said. "The pilot allegedly laid an f-bomb, and cursed at the passenger."

After FAA and Northwest Airlines spoke with the captain and the flight was canceled. The name of the captain isn't being released, but Gregor said he is a veteran pilot. The co-pilot also was taken off the flight because the FAA determined the situation may have "rattled him."

There were 180 passengers aboard the Boeing 757 aircraft along with a five-person crew.

Passenger Jeanine Peters of Eastpointe was in the back of the plane when she noticed others leaving the flight.

"People started getting off the plane before they announced there was a problem," Peters said. "People were saying they heard swearing, screaming and yelling and they were getting nervous. There was police cars out there and people running up to the plane."

Las Vegas police interviewed the pilot, but did not find any cause to conduct a sobriety test, Gregor said.

Peters couldn't find another flight to Detroit until today.

Northwest Airlines wouldn't comment beyond a statement that said the flight was canceled due to inappropriate language by a crew member. Northwest also issued an apology to its customers for the delay Friday.

Gregor said that once Northwest presents its findings in the matter, the FAA will review the case and make a ruling of its own.
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Old 7th Apr 2007, 12:13
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Poor Guy,

I wonder what his problem was?
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Old 7th Apr 2007, 12:19
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Had this occurred in the UK, I would have suggested he just had to deal with DfT security muppets!

Unfortunately, being a US internal flight this wasn't the case.
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Old 7th Apr 2007, 12:28
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KBUR, many years ago.
A DC-7 pulls up to the terminal, and no ground agent is in sight.
The airplane is parked, engines shut down, and the Captain's head is noticed from the open left DV window.
An agent appears.
The Captain yells...'hey, a**hole, where are the f*****g boarding stairs?
All 80 passengers that were waiting to board, have second thoughts, and depart the area.
Flight canceled.
The very next day, the offending Captain was 'canceled' from the company.
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FAA Spokesman ... Gregor said. "The pilot allegedly laid an f-bomb, and cursed at the passenger."
Well, ya can't going laying bombs in aircraft and get away with it anymore, these days!


Article didn't mention whether he was actually using a phone or not.


(I know John Travolta flies ... but now ... Cap'n Mel Gibson? May it was Cap'n Crowe?)
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Old 7th Apr 2007, 12:36
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"The pilot allegedly laid an f-bomb, and cursed at the passenger."

My English is rusty; is "f-bomb" present slang for an FA, or does it mean breaking wind?
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Old 7th Apr 2007, 16:14
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After my last visit (work) to Lost Wages and the my experience of most of the pax, not surprised he threw a wobbler!!!!!
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Flight Cancelled because of Pilot's Swearing



CNN: (CNN) -- Northwest Airlines canceled a flight with 180 passengers aboard after the pilot began cursing at passengers while the plane was being prepared for takeoff in Las Vegas on Friday, airline officials and witnesses said. The cancellation disrupted Easter travel plans for many of the passengers.

From the moment the captain stepped aboard Flight 1190 to Detroit, first-class passengers reported hearing him use "animated" language while talking on his cell phone, Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor told CNN.

"He was having a fit, swearing up a storm," a passenger on the flight said. "He was saying 'F this' and 'F that.'" When confronted about it by passengers, the pilot became "obscene" and began cursing at the customers, she said. "He made a big disturbance."

The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police and the local FAA flight standards office were notified, Gregor said. Police arrived on the scene, pulled the pilot aside and interviewed him. He was not administered a field sobriety test. Gregor said he did not know the reasons behind that decision and CNN was unable to immediately contact the police officers involved.

The FAA officials called Northwest Airlines headquarters and were instructed by the chief pilot for the company to remove the pilot from the aircraft. The chief pilot also requested that the pilot be flown to Detroit for further questioning, Gregor said. Northwest Airlines then canceled the flight, apologized for the delay and offered hotel accommodations and penalty-free re-booking on the next available flight out of Las Vegas, a spokesman for the airline said.

The airline said "a review of the matter" was being conducted and the decision to cancel the flight was made "due to reports of inappropriate language by a crew member."

Mike Fergus, an FAA spokesman, said the FAA's flight standards investigation unit was looking into the incident. According to Fergus, the FAA has the authority to send a "letter of admonition" to the pilot or, in the most extreme cases, revoke a pilot's FAA certificate, which would ground the pilot.....
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Old 7th Apr 2007, 19:24
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He'd fit right in where I work.

Mind you, I probably wouldn't be working there very much longer if I used industrial language at our customers.
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Old 7th Apr 2007, 19:44
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There was an article in the ALPA magazine years ago about a flight in the states.

The captain kept the seatbelt sign on as he deviated through some storms, then he turned to the F/E and said "Let 'em dance, and tell them it was superior f*cking airmanship that saved the day back there."

The F/E pointed excitedly at the P/A light - he had inadvertantly been speaking to the entire cabin's occupants!

At their destination, the captain summoned his courage and managed to stand in the cockpit door and sheepishly smile at the deplaning passengers. They all merely grinned knowingly at him until the very end, when an attractive woman sauntered up, leaned into his ear and whispered, "Nice f*cking landing, captain...."
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Old 7th Apr 2007, 19:51
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The latest from the oddsmakers at Vegas regarding who he was on the phone with:

Crew scheduing, trying to get another trip out of him once in DTW, 2:1

Current, or soon-to-be ex-wife, 4:1

Current, or soon-to-be ex-girlfriend, 6:1

His flight dispatcher, 10:1


I'm inclined to believe it was the wife or soon-to-be ex-wife; hell hath no fury etc. etc. and they certainly know what buttons to push.

Poor chap....
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Old 9th Apr 2007, 02:53
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Some years ago, while the pax were boarding our flight by walking from the terminal across the ramp, the captain slammed open the side window (146) and started effing & blinding at the tug driver. He (the tug driver) had waited for a gap in the line of boarding pax, then drove thru' to hitch up to the plane. The captain only saw him drive "thru'" the line of pax and reacted with very little of the reserved, calm approach you'd expect, or hope for.

I watched as the tug driver, unable to hear anything from inside his cab, and looking rather puzzled watched the captain gesticulate frantically, and the passengers looked very shocked as they were right under the cockpit window and could clearly hear every single word (f's, c's, you name it) that he screamed.

Having endured this prat's company for 3 days, that was the point at which I decided to avoid flying with him ever again at all costs. Very weird character. Maybe I should have called for the pc police and had the flight cancelled? That would have got me away from him even sooner.....
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Old 9th Apr 2007, 03:30
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Mind you, I probably wouldn't be working there very much longer if I used industrial language at our customers.
Reminds me of an incident in my early years; a skipper who was accidently paging the cabin as he told me just how much he appreciated certain ground crew. Even with all the 'f-bombs', and 'industrial language' not one complaint was lodged...
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We were cruising past Sakurajima, an active volcano in Kyushu Japan. The captain was making a PA, pointing out the gently smoking crater to the passengers sitting on the left hand side of the cabin when all of a sudden an eruption took place and the captain exclaimed; "****, did you see that?" Apart from the chief purser who burst through the cockpit door, no complaints were made from the mainly Japanese passengers.
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Old 9th Apr 2007, 11:04
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Fernytickles I know precisely who you mean .. he was very nearly fired for berating a passenger once. I believe he carried on his antics on other types, but is now no longer flying. Amazing how the odd rogue can carry on for so long.
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Old 9th Apr 2007, 11:40
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He was laying the F BOMB (frick you) because he had just heard that 400 managers at the airline were being given 1 million $ each in stock while he is still smarting from a pay cut.

I hope the FAA grounds every pilot in America who has ever said "FUC&"

the sky will be empty.
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Old 9th Apr 2007, 17:08
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411A: KBUR, many years ago.
A DC-7 pulls up to the terminal, and no ground agent is in sight.
The airplane is parked, engines shut down, and the Captain's head is noticed from the open left DV window.
An agent appears.
The Captain yells...'hey, a**hole, where are the f*****g boarding stairs?
All 80 passengers that were waiting to board, have second thoughts, and depart the area.
Flight canceled.
The very next day, the offending Captain was 'canceled' from the company.
Wasn't you was it 411A?

Many a year ago I sat in the RHS of a 737 in darkest Africa and watched a skipper having a similiar fit with the 'natives'. The performance culminated in him thrusting his upper body out the cockpit window so he could 'hock a loogie' in their eye for laughing at his protestations.

I sat there watching and thought - I gotta get outta Africa before I go nuts like this poor b'stard.

Thank God I did, and am still of sound mind.
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Well I've read this thread and hoped for an answer to the question that won't leave my mind. So I'll have to ask it.

A pilot in a private very stressed phone conversation uses "naughty" words and in a totally OTT feminised over-reaction a whole plane load of SLF are seriously inconvenienced. WHY for god's sake. Pathetic. Or what am I missing?
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Old 9th Apr 2007, 20:30
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A pilot in a private very stressed phone conversation uses "naughty" words and in a totally OTT feminised over-reaction a whole plane load of SLF are seriously inconvenienced. WHY for god's sake.
Simply because, my dear chap, any pilot who has just "lost it" in front of his passengers is hardly in the right frame of mind to be flying anything, never mind operating a commercial flight.

The safest thing is to opt not to fly. If that is undesireable then a better option is to terminate any such conversation before it takes you into that mental state where you shouldn't fly.

IMO

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Old 9th Apr 2007, 20:39
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The captain of 'PI' or 'Stains' crash had just had a blazing row in ops. He bust a blood vessel shortly after take-off, causing the loss of the Trident.
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