Pilots & Rampers Charged in USA w/Immigration Charges/Arrested
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Pilots & Rampers Charged in USA w/Immigration Charges/Arrested
Seven (7) Pilots & two (2) rampers have been arrrested on Immigration charges in the USA. Charges ranged from fake Passports to faleshoods on Social Security applications.
Two (2) of the Pilots were from American Eagle. One from DFW and the other from MIA.
An Immigration official said - "they lied to get into the cockpit and should never have been there". All those arrested are reported to be from Venezuela and may have paid as much as $20k USD to get into the USA and to get the "paperwork" that allowed them to get their jobs at the airlines.
General discussion by the TV talkingheads about all of them being from "South America" and "drug smuggling, etc.". .dAAvid -
Two (2) of the Pilots were from American Eagle. One from DFW and the other from MIA.
An Immigration official said - "they lied to get into the cockpit and should never have been there". All those arrested are reported to be from Venezuela and may have paid as much as $20k USD to get into the USA and to get the "paperwork" that allowed them to get their jobs at the airlines.
General discussion by the TV talkingheads about all of them being from "South America" and "drug smuggling, etc.". .dAAvid -
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The two Eagle guys were Venezuelan nationals apparently with fake stamps in their passports. They are talking about a ten stretch in the federal pen if guilty. Every flight crew member at DFW now has two weeks to get an FBI finger print and background check done, one guy has already been fired because this revealed a prior felony not disclosed on an application filled out over a decade ago. The federales are saying this is phase one of a five phase major investigation of cockpit crews flying for US carriers. If you have skeletons in your cupboard watch out.!
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Thats just the tip of the ice berg in arrests theres an outfit in Miami Falcon Air flying 727 pax and cargo and they are bringing in pilots from south america to fly there airplanes at half the going rate the govt hasnt done anything about that while we have tens of thousands of people on the street since 9/11
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Kubota.
I could not help but have a little chuckle at your inspriational advice for James. It is good to see in this world of gloom and doom that we have not lost our sense of humour.
Cheers.
I could not help but have a little chuckle at your inspriational advice for James. It is good to see in this world of gloom and doom that we have not lost our sense of humour.
Cheers.
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Redtail the info came from a press conference I think it was in Miami. I saw it on a TV news report but it must be in print somewhere. Sorry I`m a computer dummy so if I found it I`m not sure I could post a link.
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Try this:
<a href="http://sunsentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-pilots0210.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines" target="_blank">pr ess report</a>. . <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
interesting <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
<a href="http://sunsentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-pilots0210.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines" target="_blank">pr ess report</a>. . <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
interesting <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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Unfortuneatly, I know zip about the details, but, I do know two of these guys personally, and they are two of the nicest guys you could ever hope to fly with. I wish them the best and hope to see them in the cockpit soon.
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It's about time that the INS and Justice Dept started doing their jobs. I'm sure these people are "nice" but I'm sure there are also a couple of "nice" American citizens that got screwed out of their pilot jobs because these "nice," yet DISHONEST ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT LIED AND FALSIFIED OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS, took them instead.
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Don't forget that we "foreign" pilots leave quite a bit of money at your flight schools and trainingcenters over there.
Glad the INS never looked deeply enough into my legal status when I flew for a known commuter some years ago. Great experience though...
today I fly heavy... yes, also across your country.
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Glad the INS never looked deeply enough into my legal status when I flew for a known commuter some years ago. Great experience though...
today I fly heavy... yes, also across your country.
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Roadtrip:
Halloooooooooo?!? Go and visit some of the flight schools in your area, and tell me how many people with the green card or with the legal right to work in the US you'll find among the instructors: thirty per cent maybe. All the others are here illegally, with student visas or tourist visas as well. Do you really think INS knows nothing about it? C'mon. It's like the indians in the gas stations or the mexicans cleaning up your roads and serving you the burgers, or watching after your babies: splendidly illegal, but damn useful. And regarding airlines: a friend of mine, a foreign citizen married to a yankee, got hired by a big regional airline this year: out of 22 pilots in his class, ONLY 2 were american citizens! You simply don't have enough qualified people to fly those shiny jets, so no bull...p, ok?
Halloooooooooo?!? Go and visit some of the flight schools in your area, and tell me how many people with the green card or with the legal right to work in the US you'll find among the instructors: thirty per cent maybe. All the others are here illegally, with student visas or tourist visas as well. Do you really think INS knows nothing about it? C'mon. It's like the indians in the gas stations or the mexicans cleaning up your roads and serving you the burgers, or watching after your babies: splendidly illegal, but damn useful. And regarding airlines: a friend of mine, a foreign citizen married to a yankee, got hired by a big regional airline this year: out of 22 pilots in his class, ONLY 2 were american citizens! You simply don't have enough qualified people to fly those shiny jets, so no bull...p, ok?
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You don't necessarily have to be an American citizen to work in the US. BUT, you do have to be here legally with the "right" to work, the proper VISA, etc.
Your misrepresentation of speaks for itself. Sure there are lots non-US citizens working for airlines, but they'd better damn site have the right to work here. Maybe the gentleman from Norway who claims to gleefully violated US law a while ago by flying for a commuter illegally would like to tell his current employer that he has no respect for obeying US laws. Maybe he thinks respecting FARs is beneath him also.
Thanks for the info, Ichnusa. As far as people working in the US without the "right" to work here, they'd better be looking over their shoulder. I'm going to fire off a letter to my senators and representatives today and enclose a copy of this thread. We Americans are in a very foul mood right now, especially with people who cynically abuse our hospitality and good will. To those who respect our laws and do it right, welcome. Glad to have ya flying our "shiny jets". To the rest like you Ichnusa, ******-off.
Your misrepresentation of speaks for itself. Sure there are lots non-US citizens working for airlines, but they'd better damn site have the right to work here. Maybe the gentleman from Norway who claims to gleefully violated US law a while ago by flying for a commuter illegally would like to tell his current employer that he has no respect for obeying US laws. Maybe he thinks respecting FARs is beneath him also.
Thanks for the info, Ichnusa. As far as people working in the US without the "right" to work here, they'd better be looking over their shoulder. I'm going to fire off a letter to my senators and representatives today and enclose a copy of this thread. We Americans are in a very foul mood right now, especially with people who cynically abuse our hospitality and good will. To those who respect our laws and do it right, welcome. Glad to have ya flying our "shiny jets". To the rest like you Ichnusa, ******-off.
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ITs unfortunate that the guys just trying to make a living got caught up in this mess. On the other hand what else did they possess that was fake to get them flying....Once you lose credibilty you can never get it back.. .Adios Dudes....
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Roadtrip my friend, anger management is a difficult thing around here these days, please relax if you can, there is no need to threaten the Ppruners, they are by and large very decent folks. I’m reasonably certain the FAA/DOJ/INS monitors this website for indications of aviation-related terrorist leanings, no need for you to write the Senator.
A good friend of my wife’s was on the roof of the North Tower, waiting to be rescued, saying her final farewells to her husband via cellphone when it collapsed on that impossibly sunny day last September, onto a good friend’s brother. Neither of them have been recovered, the families were presented with ceremonial ash at Ground Zero last week. (God help us all). Even though I have been mercifully spared the loss of direct family, the experience has been a devastating one, all the better I think to show the steely stuff that New Yorkers are made of. Most are certainly still welcome with open arms.
Al Qaeda sit up smartly and take note, mess with us, and find out how fast you depart your thieving and miserable little mortal and motherless canine coils (a little anger management therapy might be indicated for the bugg as well).
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A good friend of my wife’s was on the roof of the North Tower, waiting to be rescued, saying her final farewells to her husband via cellphone when it collapsed on that impossibly sunny day last September, onto a good friend’s brother. Neither of them have been recovered, the families were presented with ceremonial ash at Ground Zero last week. (God help us all). Even though I have been mercifully spared the loss of direct family, the experience has been a devastating one, all the better I think to show the steely stuff that New Yorkers are made of. Most are certainly still welcome with open arms.
Al Qaeda sit up smartly and take note, mess with us, and find out how fast you depart your thieving and miserable little mortal and motherless canine coils (a little anger management therapy might be indicated for the bugg as well).
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buggsmasher - . .Don't confuse anger with resolve. We Americans have been far too passive, acquiesing, and politically correct. 9/11 was the shock treatment and punishment for our collective stupid naivety. Brits and foreign nationals come to the US for pilot training, NOT because they want to contribute to the American economy, but because their own government's policies have made pilot training grossly overpriced. But I suppose they think it worth it, even with the headaches of converting the FAA certificate to UK or JAR standards. A very few stay illegally and try and get jobs because their own economies do not or will not support a robust aviation industry. How many Americans go to the UK and Europe for pilot training or for a job for that matter.
When someone like Staysafe abuses his welcome here, or someone like Ichnusa takes pleasure in rubbing our faces in the failure of the PC INS to control our borders, it's time call a spade, a spade.
I've lived for several years in foreign countries, both in Europe and the Middle East. I respected their laws. I expect foreigners in my house to render the same reciprocity.
A roundup of illegal aliens in the US and killing Al Queda terrorists has less to do with anger than fixing a problem we should have fixed long ago.
When someone like Staysafe abuses his welcome here, or someone like Ichnusa takes pleasure in rubbing our faces in the failure of the PC INS to control our borders, it's time call a spade, a spade.
I've lived for several years in foreign countries, both in Europe and the Middle East. I respected their laws. I expect foreigners in my house to render the same reciprocity.
A roundup of illegal aliens in the US and killing Al Queda terrorists has less to do with anger than fixing a problem we should have fixed long ago.