Airport screening ends in uproar
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Gentlemen
Has anyone advanced the “safety” factor into this security fiasco? A flight crew upset by the treatment that they have just received from security does not make for a very safe flight. We all know that things go wrong and s**t happens..
The Airlines hate negative publicity this should qualify.
Has anyone advanced the “safety” factor into this security fiasco? A flight crew upset by the treatment that they have just received from security does not make for a very safe flight. We all know that things go wrong and s**t happens..
The Airlines hate negative publicity this should qualify.
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[quote]Gentlemen. .Has anyone advanced the “safety” factor into this security fiasco? A flight crew upset by the treatment that they have just received from security does not make for a very safe flight. We all know that things go wrong and s**t happens..
The Airlines hate negative publicity this should qualify. .<hr></blockquote>
. .A large, TX based airline recently had a pilot that wrote a letter to this effect, and he was sent for psychological evaluation. The letter was very accurate and not a rant, and the writer asked the RHETORICAL question "Do you really want an angry pilot flying your plane?" (paraphrased). Some of the wording he used to describe the "security measures" in place "concerned" some management types (according to the after incident spin control) about his mental well being. Word is that the top management wanted him fired, even though he never mentioned which airline he worked for.
This is wht we are up against, and unless we all unify on this issue, we will be picked off one by one.........
The Airlines hate negative publicity this should qualify. .<hr></blockquote>
. .A large, TX based airline recently had a pilot that wrote a letter to this effect, and he was sent for psychological evaluation. The letter was very accurate and not a rant, and the writer asked the RHETORICAL question "Do you really want an angry pilot flying your plane?" (paraphrased). Some of the wording he used to describe the "security measures" in place "concerned" some management types (according to the after incident spin control) about his mental well being. Word is that the top management wanted him fired, even though he never mentioned which airline he worked for.
This is wht we are up against, and unless we all unify on this issue, we will be picked off one by one.........
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heres an incident which shows what kind of people are responsible for security.. .I was jumpseating and they would not let me on the plane with out verifying my Drivers license .I was in uniform at that point and had a chicago ohare ID and a Denver ID!!!!!
It did not do me good to explain to them that it was easier to get a drivers license than to get an airport ID.
It did not do me good to explain to them that it was easier to get a drivers license than to get an airport ID.
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Question has been asked of why there is no debate on aviation security in the media. There has been lots of ink spilt since 9/11/01 on aviation security, but not much informed, knowledgeable or rational debate in the mainstream media. Not sure why but have afew guesses: 1. certain people in powerful places would like the vast mass of people to act like good sheep and just do what they are told, trust their leaders who will take care of everything. 2. the mainstream media is more interested in pushing things that they can make money off of and not in an informed, knowledgable or rational debate. 3. aviation security is nice but there are other bigger fish to fry in counter terrorism. It just happened that airplanes were the unfortunate weapons this time. Next time it could be car bomb, truck bomb, freight containers, a LNG tanker, you name it. If you think aviation security is a joke look at other modes of transportation and communications and get afraid, get very afraid if you have a paranoid streak.
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concerning the USAir pilot...It has been reported by ALPA that they are doing everything in their power to help him. Writing USAir will not do a thing. They have trouble keeping afloat!!
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OK Levelfive I'm hep...guess it doesn't matter if you drop your ID and Company name tags someone will finger you , right! <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> I know Noooothing!
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The uniform and the company ID obviously do not serve any purpose anymore, quite the contrary. I think I will show up in my bluejeans and a sweater next time ... . .Seriously: What is taking ALPA so long?
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Hey Bluecrane, ALPA and long???..."Why we have to protect our phony baloney jobs"...organizations known by acronyms flock together!!!!...dont ya know! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Hey Folks
There is a lot of chatter on the Canadian aviation Web sites about a possible June 1 withdrawal of Pilot services. We all know about the snowball effect if this idea ever gets off the ground. Hopefully this action will involve the world’s pilots’ and force governments to do a rethink on their insane aircrew security policy.
It could happen...
There is a lot of chatter on the Canadian aviation Web sites about a possible June 1 withdrawal of Pilot services. We all know about the snowball effect if this idea ever gets off the ground. Hopefully this action will involve the world’s pilots’ and force governments to do a rethink on their insane aircrew security policy.
It could happen...
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Luckly being a freightdog in Europe keeps me away from most of the hassle.. .At most of the places we go to you dont get checked at all (on the dark side of the airport).. .On my last holiday trip to the USA i was confronted by the madness of security at some of yalls airports.. .I wouldnt want to work in that environment.. .What can be done??
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pitcairn relax.. .It's everywhere the same if you go to the small airports at the outskirts of the world life is the same as 10 years ago.. .But as you know the big airports have to follow the trent.. .and i think everybody will agree with me that the small airports are just as safe as the big one's!!
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I'm afraid I must disagree. To get to my freighter I now get patted down and wanded; we also have armed guards around the aircraft and must do a security sweep of the entire aircraft every departure. Not to mention our greatly reduced jumpseat access....
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I recently had the pleasure of watching stupidity at it's finest in EGLL. Going through VIP screening, in uniform with my bags, enroute to a GLEX parked on the ramp. I was told that my baby Swiss Army knife was to be taken off the aircraft key chain and placed in my checked baggage...hmm let's see, where exactly can this bag be placed so no one can get at it??? When I politely told the security 'person' that this is a business jet without a lower cargo hold, he and she started getting a bit defensive. I decided to place my 'weapon' in my bag and get on with it.. .Do these people really understand anything?. .I'm sure glad I didn't have a mad moment at FL450 and try to hijack myself, what a dilema that would have been - where to go??????
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Latte tester, what happened to me yesterday does the pair for stupidity at its finest with your security "person".. .Got off my "on duty" flight and proceeded to my commuting flight. There the "security person" told me I would have to leave my unsealing tool (that wouldn't puncture a balloon <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> ).. .I brought to her attention that I was getting off a flight where I actually USED my tool (still in uniform) but she didn't care. What the heck, I could go insane and hijack the plane on my way home, doh!!!. .When I disembarked the crew gave me my tool back with a meaningful rolleyes... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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One thing seems to have been overlooked by those contributing to this thread. I fly for an Arab airline, and regularly fly freighters in and out of JFK. Even though we go through the Cargo side, we have the full security aggro. The pilots on the passenger flights get the full treatment as well at the passenger terminal.
We don't get treated any differently, it seems, than the other contributors to this topic have been, but I do realise that the US government is absolutely paranoid about Al Qaeda sympathisers working as pilots within airlines (especially ours!). This is extremely unlikely, but they feel that they have to give the idea some credence.
So, for the sake of political correctness, and to avoid the dreaded "profiling" they treat all pilots the same, irrespective of airline or nationality. To do otherwise would provoke serious diplomatic reactions.
So, I think we need to remember that American paranoia in respect of possible infiltration of our profession is the root cause of this. Of course, an Al Qaeda pilot could do his stuff and still be clean at a security check!
Out of JFK, they won't even let our company take off on 31L! That points towards downtown Manhatten, so we are forced to takeoff on 22R, or 04L, what we laughingly refer to as an "Al Qaeda Departure, Bin Ladin Climb"!
We don't get treated any differently, it seems, than the other contributors to this topic have been, but I do realise that the US government is absolutely paranoid about Al Qaeda sympathisers working as pilots within airlines (especially ours!). This is extremely unlikely, but they feel that they have to give the idea some credence.
So, for the sake of political correctness, and to avoid the dreaded "profiling" they treat all pilots the same, irrespective of airline or nationality. To do otherwise would provoke serious diplomatic reactions.
So, I think we need to remember that American paranoia in respect of possible infiltration of our profession is the root cause of this. Of course, an Al Qaeda pilot could do his stuff and still be clean at a security check!
Out of JFK, they won't even let our company take off on 31L! That points towards downtown Manhatten, so we are forced to takeoff on 22R, or 04L, what we laughingly refer to as an "Al Qaeda Departure, Bin Ladin Climb"!