ATC... Bollockings for all
With regards to the company I work for, then No, I have no intentions of using them as an alias for my private oppinions in here
far easier to throw baseless accussations about, than back up an opinion based on some cold hard facts.Thanks up and down, a mature and upfront approach.
Danny, my apologies for upsetting the membership, but I am entitled to an opinion.
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Monarch Man, you are not just upsetting the membership with your private opinions. You are upsetting most of the aviators around, because your oppinions and attitudes are a danger to not just all the other people flying around you, but also your passengers.
If you need backup and substance for that statement then go back in this thread and read your own responses, they say it all
With regard to Danny's comment, then I will now assume that you have just chosen to steal an alias from Monarch, and that you work in a different outfit (??), but that wouldn't suprise me either. It is impressive that a "global experienced aviator" as youself is not able to review critisism from fellow pilots and ATC controllers.
About being mature...... well, no comments to that one from you!!
Danny: I think your comment about mentioning company names on PPRUNE is fair enough, as it is very bad advertising for a company to be part of a discussion like this, but that said, then PPRUNE should consider not to allow people to hide behind a company alias as well.
You can not allow that, and then forbid comments towards the name afterwards. Either we are anonymous or we are not.
It must be one or another.
"Gravity is just an illusion"
If you need backup and substance for that statement then go back in this thread and read your own responses, they say it all
With regard to Danny's comment, then I will now assume that you have just chosen to steal an alias from Monarch, and that you work in a different outfit (??), but that wouldn't suprise me either. It is impressive that a "global experienced aviator" as youself is not able to review critisism from fellow pilots and ATC controllers.
About being mature...... well, no comments to that one from you!!
Danny: I think your comment about mentioning company names on PPRUNE is fair enough, as it is very bad advertising for a company to be part of a discussion like this, but that said, then PPRUNE should consider not to allow people to hide behind a company alias as well.
You can not allow that, and then forbid comments towards the name afterwards. Either we are anonymous or we are not.
It must be one or another.
"Gravity is just an illusion"
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Opera with happy end ?
Gonzo said: "Blimey! This is more depressing than any soap opera!...."
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but is an extraordinary informational one by demonstrating whats going on in several sleeping heads over there on island
Non believers will keep on use UK Manual of Air Traffic Services
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but is an extraordinary informational one by demonstrating whats going on in several sleeping heads over there on island
Non believers will keep on use UK Manual of Air Traffic Services
If you need backup and substance for that statement then go back in this thread and read your own responses, they say it all
There is a total lunatic in my current company who doesn't know anything about procedures, airlaw, atc, or r/t. Funny enough, he is ex Monarch as well..... do they train you guys to be dangerous or do you take special classes??
Maybe UP and Down you are attacking my opinions, fair enough, but please don't equate MY OPINIONS with the greater mass of fellow aviators and flight Ops policy at MON.
I have already stated that the use of standard Phraseology, in my opinion, and in the context of establishing oneself on the only available localizer for RWY 24 at MAN, contributes little to SA. At no time have I descended into the kind of finger pointing diatribe, that you seem determined to do, my opinion is my opinion, if you don't like that, perhaps you should start your own country, and introduce your very own thought police, if not, well, its just too bad for you
I also stand 100% behind my comments relating to using Phraseology as "one size fits all" solution to level busts and runway incursions, it never has been, and it never will be the main safeguard that so many of the sheep on here seem to believe.
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To those who think some rules are rubbish please try to live with them. It’s not your game so you don't have the right to bend or change the rules. If you think obeying rules suck then find another game, read profession.
Of course I think MM is just joking around with those who have bitten the bait with all their teeth, gummy or not. Of course he will readback the correct clearance. He's probably venting here the words spoken inside the flight deck he cannot tell you on the R/T, a la Homepage. I believe it's called winding you all up. Right MM? (for pete's sake man say it's true!!).
Fly safe y'all.
Of course I think MM is just joking around with those who have bitten the bait with all their teeth, gummy or not. Of course he will readback the correct clearance. He's probably venting here the words spoken inside the flight deck he cannot tell you on the R/T, a la Homepage. I believe it's called winding you all up. Right MM? (for pete's sake man say it's true!!).
Fly safe y'all.
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Of course he will readback the correct clearance. He's probably venting here the words spoken inside the flight deck he cannot tell you on the R/T, a la Homepage. I believe it's called winding you all up. Right MM? (for pete's sake man say it's true!!).
It is with a constant source of amusement and amazement at the holier than thou attitudes expressed on here, and then in the same breath, if you don't fit the concensus view...you assume the persona of someone that is responsible for the Kennedy conspiracy, along the way you've interferred with small boys, and to finish it all, you are the cause of global warming and you deny its very existance.
Its nice to know that there are so many perfect operators out there, very nice indeed
So Up and Down, are you going to front up with an answer? or are you going to spout off once more about how poor anyone from MON operates?
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This is down to picking Flysh#t out of pepper but some time ago MM said "turn left/right onto heading xxx" . The word to or onto will never be used for a heading change..."too" or should I say "two" much ambiguity!!!
Just wanted to show that MM is in fact not quite as super perfect as we /he thought.
Just wanted to show that MM is in fact not quite as super perfect as we /he thought.
turn left/right onto heading xxx"
Where did I mention I was super perfect?
P.S. top marks for picking up on it though, in all the personal insults flying about, I'd plumb forgotten I had put this little timebomb into text
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Right that's it. I've tried and tried to stay out of this, I really have. I've been reading these posts like a rubber band being stretched and I knew somone would let go of one end eventually and then off I'd go.
Monarch Man, you are a plonker. Anyone who questions things like the use of "degrees" at the end of a heading instruction is showing arrogance beyond belief. Let say you have 40 years of flying experience. Do you really feel that the combined experience of many hundreds and thousands of aviators over the past 100 bloody years is nothing compared to you? Do you really feel that those who make decisions to change phrases used after considering all the facts and figures of the past are mere amateurs compared to your unrivalled professionalism? Even if only 1000 pilots had ever flown in UK airspace and have only had 10 years experience of doing so and they decided that something needs to be changed based on their statistics or testimony, that would still be 250 times more useful that all the experience you have had.
You complete ****. You are the perfect epitome of all that is wrong in this business. You obviously have gotten into this much deeper than you intended and are much too proud to admit you're pushing your luck. Just don't post here anymore and we'll all pretend it never happened.
You remind me of my grandfather who met his neighbour head-on early one morning on a back lane after going round a blind corner in the middle of the road. He blamed the neighbour because "In all the years I've spent driving that road, at the same time every morning, yer man was never there before."
What a complete eejit. Wait till MON management get a hold of this stuff!
Monarch Man, you are a plonker. Anyone who questions things like the use of "degrees" at the end of a heading instruction is showing arrogance beyond belief. Let say you have 40 years of flying experience. Do you really feel that the combined experience of many hundreds and thousands of aviators over the past 100 bloody years is nothing compared to you? Do you really feel that those who make decisions to change phrases used after considering all the facts and figures of the past are mere amateurs compared to your unrivalled professionalism? Even if only 1000 pilots had ever flown in UK airspace and have only had 10 years experience of doing so and they decided that something needs to be changed based on their statistics or testimony, that would still be 250 times more useful that all the experience you have had.
You complete ****. You are the perfect epitome of all that is wrong in this business. You obviously have gotten into this much deeper than you intended and are much too proud to admit you're pushing your luck. Just don't post here anymore and we'll all pretend it never happened.
You remind me of my grandfather who met his neighbour head-on early one morning on a back lane after going round a blind corner in the middle of the road. He blamed the neighbour because "In all the years I've spent driving that road, at the same time every morning, yer man was never there before."
What a complete eejit. Wait till MON management get a hold of this stuff!
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Agree totally with above post...jesus man, how hard is it really to add L or R to an RT transmission?? As if the job of ATC isnt hard enough without having to put up with this c**p....
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Well done Monarch Man...........
You seem to have upset quite a few on here on this thread
just recently.
Please keep bearring your arse for all to kick its good
entertainment.
MM
You seem to have upset quite a few on here on this thread
just recently.
Please keep bearring your arse for all to kick its good
entertainment.
MM
Please keep bearring your arse for all to kick its good
entertainment.
entertainment.
You complete ****. You are the perfect epitome of all that is wrong in this business.
Just out of interest Paddy, how long has the word "degrees" been a requirement to be readback in UK airspace?
As for MON management, well as long as it is "zero cost" they won't be too worried
As if the job of ATC isnt hard enough without having to put up with this c**p....
All this frothing at mouth people, very very undignified, pathetic as well.
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Considering all the moaning about how cr+p the industry is, having to work stupid duty hours, no time off, no days off etc, how come some of you seem to have unlimited time to sit behind a computer and have a virtual punch up with your work collegues??!!!
Just wondering!
Just wondering!
Its called leave, and due to the crap weather today, what better way to discover the collective shoe size IQ of many on here by seeing how many bite?
I've yet to be disappointed, there seems to be one born every minute.
I've yet to be disappointed, there seems to be one born every minute.
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Hi Monarch Man,
the company you work for offers a fantastic range of flying, thus the experience gained is virtually second to none. This experience can obviously lead to some crews thinking that they know everything, which as we all know can be dangerous. Apparent to most on this thread is that you come across as slack, or a smart ass, or both.
I imagine you are still in the right hand seat, based elsewhere on the Monarch network, and doing the odd flight from Manchester. Knowing some of the guys in Manchester very well, i am pretty sure that they are on your case often for being slack, or a smart ass, or both !!.
I will now step aside...or should that be side step Left or Right for incoming.
Rgds.
the company you work for offers a fantastic range of flying, thus the experience gained is virtually second to none. This experience can obviously lead to some crews thinking that they know everything, which as we all know can be dangerous. Apparent to most on this thread is that you come across as slack, or a smart ass, or both.
I imagine you are still in the right hand seat, based elsewhere on the Monarch network, and doing the odd flight from Manchester. Knowing some of the guys in Manchester very well, i am pretty sure that they are on your case often for being slack, or a smart ass, or both !!.
I will now step aside...or should that be side step Left or Right for incoming.
Rgds.
Apparent to most on this thread is that you come across as slack, or a smart ass, or both.
the company you work for offers a fantastic range of flying, thus the experience gained is virtually second to none.
Knowing some of the guys in Manchester very well, i am pretty sure that they are on your case often for being slack, or a smart ass, or both !!.
I can't wait for further insults relating to my upbringing, and accusations of dubious sexual practises.
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Monarch Man, now you have packed away your hook and line you must be a proud man as you venture home tonight. Us lesser mortals salute you, you are an inspiration to all.
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Pls all step back and consider how this ridiculous debate looks to hundreds/thousands of wannabees (like myself)....it reads *exactly* like my 5yr old son having a fight with his mates about whose turn it is.
So easy to get sucked into a stupid slanging match, and written comments can be easily recursively mis-interpreted.
One thought for Monarch Man. There is no such thing as anonymity on the net, just varying degrees of effort & skill to discover who and where you are.
I would have expected to have seen a bit more moderation here by now.
So easy to get sucked into a stupid slanging match, and written comments can be easily recursively mis-interpreted.
One thought for Monarch Man. There is no such thing as anonymity on the net, just varying degrees of effort & skill to discover who and where you are.
I would have expected to have seen a bit more moderation here by now.
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Hi Monarch Man,
do i know you.
Let me see: 757 F/O based outwith Manchester who gets involved in CC recruitment, and who on occasions is slack along with being a smart ass......na don't know you. Any chance of some more clues though.
Rgds.
do i know you.
Let me see: 757 F/O based outwith Manchester who gets involved in CC recruitment, and who on occasions is slack along with being a smart ass......na don't know you. Any chance of some more clues though.
Rgds.
never had anything to do with the CC. No one likes me at work either.