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Old 26th Apr 2006, 10:28
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LoCo airlines busting minima in LVP's at STN?

Due to the breakdown in training at europes lowest airline.It became apparent two nights ago that pilots flying for ryanair were not aware of certain JAA limitations.Aircraft crews were accepting approaches and landing at stn in RVRs of 200 metres at night with no centreline and no touchdown zone lights working.The jaa clearly states that CAT III approaches are NOT ALLOWED at night in these circumstances and that CAT II approaches require a minimum RVR of 550 metres.What was done here was clearly illegal and should be investigated by the appropriate authorities.

The clue was that everybody else was diverting,why were others landing.
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Due to the breakdown in training at europes lowest airline.It became apparent two nights ago that pilots flying for ryanair were not aware of certain JAA limitations.Aircraft crews were accepting approaches and landing at stn in RVRs of 200 metres at night with no centreline and no touchdown zone lights working.The jaa clearly states that CAT III approaches are NOT ALLOWED at night in these circumstances and that CAT II approaches require a minimum RVR of 550 metres.What was done here was clearly illegal and should be investigated by the appropriate authorities.

The clue was that everybody else was diverting,why were others landing.
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What were the touchdown and mid point RVR's?
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What were the touchdown and mid point RVR's?
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Are ATC required to give a "clear to land"?
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Are ATC required to give a "clear to land"?
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dependant on the aerodrome minima atc will advise if the a/c will be making an approach below these minima, the absolute minima for each airline does vary.

As i'm still training, i am not 100% however, as said earlier to make a CATIII approach certain visual aids need to be servicable and ON..... why were they not on??
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dependant on the aerodrome minima atc will advise if the a/c will be making an approach below these minima, the absolute minima for each airline does vary.

As i'm still training, i am not 100% however, as said earlier to make a CATIII approach certain visual aids need to be servicable and ON..... why were they not on??
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Works on the runway.
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Indeed,
Day CAT 2 ok, night 550m. Also add in the effect of the reduced APCH lighting on R05 and you have a cat 1 req on 05 of 950 m I think!!
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Day CAT 2 ok, night 550m. Also add in the effect of the reduced APCH lighting on R05 and you have a cat 1 req on 05 of 950 m I think!!
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sky9 - this is an approach ban situation.ATC have confirmed that they asked each individual if they could make the approach.Most declined but it is confirmed that others landed illegally.
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sky9 - this is an approach ban situation.ATC have confirmed that they asked each individual if they could make the approach.Most declined but it is confirmed that others landed illegally.
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So, was it intentional or due to ignorance? And which is worse.
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So, was it intentional or due to ignorance? And which is worse.
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Well report it to the IAA. I'm sure they will take prompt action, they always do.
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Well report it to the IAA. I'm sure they will take prompt action, they always do.
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Grim Repa,

Sometimes you ask a question to which you already know the answer
Seems a little brave to continue once the question has been asked as ATC have no option other than to report the crew for landing below minima. Gross negligence, endangering the safety of your passengers. On the ground having landed below minima is a bad place to be.
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Grim Repa,

Sometimes you ask a question to which you already know the answer
Seems a little brave to continue once the question has been asked as ATC have no option other than to report the crew for landing below minima. Gross negligence, endangering the safety of your passengers. On the ground having landed below minima is a bad place to be.
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