Ireland: Ryanair Fears €20m Pilot Hit
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I'D FLY FOR FREE
From same website, applications for a new General Operations Manager
airline experience is not a prerequisite.
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Was a passenger on a flight when a man sat next to me showing his boarding card which had been signed by mol. Felt so sorry for this man who was obviously chuffed to bits with the autograph. If only he knew what the bloke was really like
If you sign a contract you agree to the conditions, if you do not like it go elsewhere. Simple!
MOL would probably love to have you. Apply here Unfortunately most have things like mortgages, loans etc. to repay. The ocasional meal and tank of fuel to get to work is a nice bonus.
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have yet to meet a RYR pilot who comes to work on a bus, looking undernourished, and scruffy from sleeping rough (no home).
I think a reality check is needed here!
As a rather naive SLF, €100k doesn't sound that brilliant to me for a captain, especially on relatively short haul intensive rosters. An engineering manager in semiconductor design can make that - in the UK, too. That job is a lot less stressful!
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Still as long as some do........
Is it true that pilots pay for their own uniforms there?
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grim repa,
I have to agree whole heartedly.
It's a bit of nonsense trying to make out there is not case to answer at this stage. This case is about to hit the supreme court (that is the highest in Ireland). The pilots, the Labour court and Ryanair all recognise this is not a trivial issue.
A quick search of pprune (and in particular a bunch of threads scroogs has pointed to in the past) will confirm that life is not all roses in Ryanair regardless of what contract was available on the week a new recruit decided to sign up. And after signing on the dotted line, the goal posts and rules appear to move rather quickly.
From knowing a few rookie pilots in Ryanair, I know conditions are a long way from great. One told me if you want to fly and do nothing else for a few years great but forget about everything else - including pay - he was on peanuts. Other stories were more colourful and some have appeared in one form or another here on pprune.
As for our chum angryblackman - I can only assume his FLY FOR FREE is just a wind-up, that or he is very rich and/or stupid indeed.
I have to agree whole heartedly.
It's a bit of nonsense trying to make out there is not case to answer at this stage. This case is about to hit the supreme court (that is the highest in Ireland). The pilots, the Labour court and Ryanair all recognise this is not a trivial issue.
A quick search of pprune (and in particular a bunch of threads scroogs has pointed to in the past) will confirm that life is not all roses in Ryanair regardless of what contract was available on the week a new recruit decided to sign up. And after signing on the dotted line, the goal posts and rules appear to move rather quickly.
From knowing a few rookie pilots in Ryanair, I know conditions are a long way from great. One told me if you want to fly and do nothing else for a few years great but forget about everything else - including pay - he was on peanuts. Other stories were more colourful and some have appeared in one form or another here on pprune.
As for our chum angryblackman - I can only assume his FLY FOR FREE is just a wind-up, that or he is very rich and/or stupid indeed.
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Harrier46,( must be ex Air Force right ?) with the greatest of respect you are talking out of your arse. What first hand knowledge do you have of how much our new F/O's earn ? Perhaps rather more pertinent is how much disposable income they have(n't got ) once they pay back the loan for their licence rating etc, and then find themselves rostered at a different base each week(if they are the lucky? one's actually doing some flights) because nobody could actually get around to allocating them a base, forced to spend their meagre income on hotel food , airport sarnies, or in extreme cases relying on handouts from the Capt as they have NO MONEY. The stories about some new guys sleeping in cars and terminals are NOT stories, they are FACT. So ( assuming you are ex AIR FARCE. . .no not a spelling error) be grateful that the good old UK stumped up for your training and stop trying to cast doubts on the situation some of my colleagues have to endure, as you plainly know cack all about which you pontificate.
I felt I had enough poverty already, and declined their offer of further. Never looked back.
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I would hope that Ryanair get taken to the cleaners in court. Have dealt with some of these comedians and they really do deserve to loose. It seems they care for nothing apart from €. Don’t like the way they do business and I also don’t buy “its your fault you signed the contract” argument.
Harrier46 – I assume you are winding people up ? If not – what a wonderful way to see the world, if only things were so easy….
Harrier46 – I assume you are winding people up ? If not – what a wonderful way to see the world, if only things were so easy….
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Ryanair says that its pilots earn at least €100,000per annum
I cannot see what you are all complaining about. Anyone in this industry who starts as a new entry pilot on €100,000 is in clover.
Or is the Ryanair spokesman telling an untruth and the minimum that a pilots earns is not €100,000?
The only other conclusion that I can come to is that they don't employ pilots in the right hand seat, in which case has the IAA given them an dispensation?
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Anyone in this industry who starts as a new entry pilot on €100,000 is in clover.
Basic pay for f/o at the moment: Low €20ks
When your face doesn't fit you get no flights and possibly a transfer ( at your own expense ). Try living on €20k odd with a mortgage and training bills.
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When your face doesn't fit you get no flights
An utter lack of self-respect and self-worth is a prerequisite to be a new FR FO.
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Everybody knows what they are going to be going in for when they sign on the dotted line. The reason that MOL can get away with treating his staff so badly is because there are plenty of pilots that are prepared to work under poor conditions and get paid a pittance; these are the people that are partly to blame for the poor conditions that airline pilots are now dealt with.
The reason other industries aren't in such a mess is because the staff wouldn't tolerate it. They would resign and therefore the company would be forced to provide the staff with good T's and C's in order to survive.
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Everybody knows what they are going to be going in for when they sign on the dotted line.
alleged underhand tactics that FR play.
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To all of you at FR, trying to get your rights as human beings to being treated fairly, realised, and not just being payed off to shut up, keep it up guys and gals, you deserve to win.
I wish you all the very best of luck, Oh but if you do decide to take the other option of "If you don't like it leave", there is life after Ryanair, and believe me it's a happier one.
I wish you all the very best of luck, Oh but if you do decide to take the other option of "If you don't like it leave", there is life after Ryanair, and believe me it's a happier one.
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cue tumbleweed and a thousand winter words.
And so now no more do we receive the wisdom we so badly want to read
Well, happy New Year everybody, and goodness me, haven’t the season of hostilities commenced early this year! What can it be that has the masses quivering with such giddy anticipation? Gosh, it’s probably El Niño, or all that hot air recently spewing forth from the British junior blowhole Ian Pearson. No matter. Whatever the reason be, dear readers, might I suggest we start the year on a note of seriousness, rather than with the customary hysteria that events concerning Ryanair seems to inspire in the minds of those incontinent screeching howler monkeys that populate Corballis Park. Time for a reality check, me thinks.
Now then, if you all listen very, very carefully, you will hear from across the Irish Sea a certain rustling in the distance. What you’re hearing is the sound of IALPA and the no-neck polyester dwarf who leads it, lathering themselves into a frenzy of lubricated glee at what they presume will be a savaging for Ryanair at the hands of the Irish courts, and more excitingly, the cash bonanza that will surely follow for their long suffering members. Apparently, they would have us believe this long and tawdry saga is finally drawing to its orgasmic conclusion on the last day of this month. We shall see.
For those of you unfamiliar with our saga, permit me to join the dots for you. In the interests of brevity, I will presume that most of you are familiar with our little airline called Ryanair. We have 120ish Boeing 737-800’s on line at present and employ over 1500 pilots to fly them. This year, 2007, will see us with 200 aircraft online, an achievement we’re looking forward to enormously. We have around another 160 brand new aircraft on order for the time being, and will need to employ thousands more pilots to fly them in due course, thus creating opportunities for young men and women across Europe to actively pursue their dreams of a job in the airline world that otherwise wouldn’t exist, a fact conspicuously overlooked in certain unsavoury industrial quarters, but more on that later.
We make a great deal of money doing what we do because, in part, we’re led by European aviation’s answer to Alexander the Great, our CEO Michael O’Leary. The man who is succeeding where the likes of Napoleon and Hitler both failed, in uniting Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals, and maybe even beyond. In short, we’re a good news story all round. Sadly though, like all flourishing organisms, we attract more than our fair share of parasites.
Enter stage left IALPA, apparently some sort of sheltered workshop for short, poorly dressed champagne socialists, and their colleagues across the water at BALPA, or as it is more commonly known to the frustration of many, the British Airways pilots fur-lined conditions maintenance and enhancement bureau. These two dinosaurs of the industrial revolution, each constantly seeking to outdo the other in displays of their own irrelevance, fell into bed one moonlit night and a short time later out popped the fruit of their loins in the form of REPA, with a face only a mother could love. And what a hairless, incompetent turd our little bastard has turned out to be in the months since its ignominious birth.
In one early disaster, REPA very nearly roasted alive a fine and decent man who was good naturedly persuaded to bulwark their first foray. To this day, in a truly breathtaking display of wobbly spin doctoring, REPA’s string pullers refer to this unfortunate episode as their “pyrrhic victory”, but I call it for what it is. An abject failure and poignant demonstration of their ceaseless malevolence, writ large. Since then REPA has launched failed attacks on almost every aspect of our operation, from maintenance to pilot selection and training. The list is long. Evan Cullen, IALPA’s vertically challenged organ-grinder-in-chief even went public in the letters page of Flight International with a poorly worded innuendo designed, apparently, to call upon the Irish Aviation Authority to investigate the seemingly endless list of faults he regurgitates and hurls in the direction of Ryanair. How embarrassing for the Dwarf that when challenged by Lilian Cassin of the IAA to put up or shut up, even privately, he chose the latter. Oh dear, Evan. Forced to swallow your own bull**** yet again! After your appearance on the tellie last year, though, I imagine you’re getting used to the flavour of dung by now.
With the exception of a few easily led grey-haired popinjays in Dublin, long term employees who seem to think that their tenure entitles them to special consideration, most of us Ryanair pilots are happy campers, but Irish pride wouldn’t permit these multi millionaire prima donnas to accept that they’d screwed the pooch in taking on our Alexander, and so they enlisted the secret, dark and midnight forces of two pointless, lunatic organisations in the rather forlorn hope of uniting the troops. Their attempts thus far have been a truly hilarious concoction of farce and falsehood that makes the Keystone cops seem like the shining lights of law enforcement virtue. They claim huge numbers of supporters, but what they don’t tell you is that these “supporters” amount to nothing more than those of us who enjoy signing up to their Aer Lingus funded website to observe the festivities from the safety of distance. Not one single Ryanair pilot has put a single Euro into REPA, and I’ll be thrilled to see just how many do when the time comes. For now, REPA shout from the rooftops about how many members they enjoy. Ho-hum. If you dress a pig in a bonnet and a pretty dress, it remains a pig underneath. Pilots are a funny bunch when asked to throw money at pointless causes.
I hope the New Year finds you well, Minuteman, and I’m sorry that your Christmas jackpot was postponed from December 21st to the end of January. May I offer an old friend some advice, though? I’d hold off on putting in that new boat order just yet if I were you. The fat lady is stirring, but with the Ryanair share price nudging €11, I wouldn’t expect a particularly long aria.
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Bravo
Bravo, Leo, bravo. Your rhetoric is truly marvellous, whilst your chastising of many individuals is somewhat amusing, it serves little purpose or indeed has little point. Tell me old boy have you though of auditioning for the RSC ?
Moreover your references to Alexander the third and Hitler are concerning, not only for the your total lack of forethought, but seeming poor knowledge of both… Let me suggest – maybe a Dickensian work house ethic kind of thing would have been better. But I digress…
I’m sure you are well aware of what the issues are and no amount of speech making with tawdry historical comparisons can alter this. You know full well what happened was a disgrace and there must be some accountability. After all that’s business - right ?
If you fail to see what the problem is here then you are more lost in your own idiom that I first thought. Spare a though for someone else, it really is quite liberating
Moreover your references to Alexander the third and Hitler are concerning, not only for the your total lack of forethought, but seeming poor knowledge of both… Let me suggest – maybe a Dickensian work house ethic kind of thing would have been better. But I digress…
I’m sure you are well aware of what the issues are and no amount of speech making with tawdry historical comparisons can alter this. You know full well what happened was a disgrace and there must be some accountability. After all that’s business - right ?
If you fail to see what the problem is here then you are more lost in your own idiom that I first thought. Spare a though for someone else, it really is quite liberating