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Adam Air lost contact

Old 12th Sep 2007, 19:29
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If I remember correctly, in case of an IRS failure, one of the consequences is....WX FAIL.
I also recall that an Adam Air landed at a wild airport because they had an IRS failure before.
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Old 18th Sep 2007, 17:10
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I've said it before and I'll say it again - don't fly on any Indonesian carrier, including Garuda, if you fancy your life. As long as corruption is as endemic as it is, their airlines will never be safe and their DGAC will never exercise proper oversight. Be very aware.
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Old 18th Sep 2007, 21:39
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Well, I fly them all the time... but I do have ones I avoid...
So if you ever come down here, take the bus or the ferry or the train or the car, where the chances of you getting in an accident is significantly higher...

I fly them because I have no choice... and even if there were, I'd still choose the locals but without the cowboys...

*grin*

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Old 23rd Feb 2008, 01:50
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Any Updates?

Are there any updates on this saga? It has been almost 6 months since the black boxes were recovered - surely enough time to complete an analysis.

But the issue has gone very quiet.
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Old 23rd Feb 2008, 09:20
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Nothing public yet. But I hear it's a severe Inertial malfunction, in weather, loss of attitude orientation, with the A/P still engaged on single IRU and no one was flying the aircraft as they were trying reconfirm their positions... possibly no NAVs were tuned (hey that's what happened in the Tambolaka 400NM wandering excursion)... whether that is true or not, I guess we'll have to see if the report is going to be released or not... the above is based in info leaks so far. The leak also said the aircraft started a slow bank to the right and ended up over vertical...

If this sounds surprising, about 1 - 2 months ago, an Adam Air captain was overheard asking his first officer on how does one notice an engine failure on take off (and in a genuinely clueless tone).
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Old 23rd Feb 2008, 09:36
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1) IRU toppled in severe wx/single IRU remaining - the standby attitude is an electric gyro is it not?

2) Question about how to identify an engine failure on takeoff - surely this is a wind up?????
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Old 24th Feb 2008, 17:12
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Gengis,
Re. #1... Indeed it is, but then, that's useless if the crew didn't realize that their individual ADIs are no longer reliable. The sad thing is, more than a few doesn't know that the IRU gives orientation data to the SG then to their ADI as well as POS input to FMC... and that the A/P takes the orientation (incl. heading) from the IRU... A/P on single IRU is a no-no... going into IMC on a single IRU is also a no-no... but this accident isn't the first or the last time an Adam Air crew did the same thing... training short cut is likely to be a contributory factor.

Re. #2... As far as I am told it was a genuine question posed by the capt to his f/o... this is an airline with a history of training short cuts, hey, they even let someone continue flying after being caught out not doing checklists... and still let him fly after 1 take off with no checklist ended up with a zero electrics dive recover at 500' AGL and a flapless landing. These types of jokers are in a minority in Adam Air, but the problem is, they still exist!

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Old 26th Feb 2008, 04:02
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Releasing Report

PK-KAR,
Thanks for the update.

whether that is true or not, I guess we'll have to see if the report is going to be released or not
Who controls whether a report is released or not? I presume in this case, the Indonesian authorities.

I am surprised to hear that there is some doubt as to whether the release of the report is going to happen. My (obviously mistaken) understanding is that all major aircraft crash reports are made public, or at least the major salient points are divulged to the media. Given so many people from so many countries generally perish in these accidents, it's no wonder why.
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Old 31st Mar 2008, 13:49
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Report Released

I notice the report was finally released last week:

http://http://www.theage.com.au/news...207086596.html

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Old 31st Mar 2008, 14:05
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