Incident at PIK
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Airport closed for a short while whilst fire service attended incident. Runway 21/03 operational shortly thereafter taking some Ryanair movements. 31/13 expected to be reopened in next 4 hours following removal of the Electra. Initial information is that the Electra port gear detached completely on touchdown causing the aircraft to slew off to the left hard shoulder.
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I know this is unrelated to the accident, but I must mention that Atlantic is operating the Electra, which is designed to have a forward-facing FE, without an FE.
How could this ever be approved?.
Also, as always, may I say that I am happy that everyone escaped unhurt from this accident.
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How could this ever be approved?.
Also, as always, may I say that I am happy that everyone escaped unhurt from this accident.
[This message has been edited by Techman (edited 22 March 2001).]
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Techman,
Not sure of the details on Electra but the point is "forward facing FE"
This generally means that the flight crew can reach all the knobs !
Several exercises were done to eliminate FE on B727, DC10 and L1011 aircraft and the main object was to move all the side panel stuff to the front. I guess they decided there was not enough front cockpit space or it was cheaper to keep the FE!!
Not sure of the details on Electra but the point is "forward facing FE"
This generally means that the flight crew can reach all the knobs !
Several exercises were done to eliminate FE on B727, DC10 and L1011 aircraft and the main object was to move all the side panel stuff to the front. I guess they decided there was not enough front cockpit space or it was cheaper to keep the FE!!
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If I remember Atlantic started by replacing the FE with cpl pilots because of a shortage of FEs at the time Did not realise that the position had been eliminated completly Shame nice aircraft to fly. But interesting that the CAA approved this
Maybe if there had been an FE on this aircraft he might have notice something wrong with the gear on his pre flight walk around
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Maybe if there had been an FE on this aircraft he might have notice something wrong with the gear on his pre flight walk around
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Techman,
As soon as you mention a topic something appears !!!
Within a period of only nine months SR Technics managed to find a
suitable infrastructure in Palmdale, to establish SR Technics
Palmdale, Inc. and to begin with the conversion work. In the near
record time of seven months, the first DC-10 was outfitted with a new
two-man cockpit - replacing the aircraft's original three-man version
- having the most modern technology, including Boeing's Advanced
Common Flightdeck (ACF), and new wiring throughout the entire
aircraft. Boeing is now conducting test flights on first aircraft,
before handing it over to FedEx.
Guess it WAS cheaper to get rid of the FE!!
As soon as you mention a topic something appears !!!
Within a period of only nine months SR Technics managed to find a
suitable infrastructure in Palmdale, to establish SR Technics
Palmdale, Inc. and to begin with the conversion work. In the near
record time of seven months, the first DC-10 was outfitted with a new
two-man cockpit - replacing the aircraft's original three-man version
- having the most modern technology, including Boeing's Advanced
Common Flightdeck (ACF), and new wiring throughout the entire
aircraft. Boeing is now conducting test flights on first aircraft,
before handing it over to FedEx.
Guess it WAS cheaper to get rid of the FE!!
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Seem to remember last year that an Atlantic
DC6 lost a main wheel on take off out of Coventry.Hit a lorry on the Coventry by-pass!
So can any of you kids at Atlantic who fly
the L188 please tell us how the hell you "de-boost" without an F/E, or does the flask of coffee do it?
DC6 lost a main wheel on take off out of Coventry.Hit a lorry on the Coventry by-pass!
So can any of you kids at Atlantic who fly
the L188 please tell us how the hell you "de-boost" without an F/E, or does the flask of coffee do it?
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I and several others watched an atlantic DC6 doing t and g 's at cov last year ,,the a/c trundled down the runway on only the nose wheel...apparently the handling pilot pushes fwd on the column to stop any shimmy...intersting to watch and if there had been any weight in the a/c perhaps slightly dodgy...saw this happen twice..
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Freightdoggy,
What has a DC6 wheel got to do with L188 F/E's? Anyway you have a point about de-boosting, plus in the case of an incapacitation reaching everything necessary in the cockpit when straaped in would prove interesting!! If it's designed with 3 it should fly with 3!!!
What has a DC6 wheel got to do with L188 F/E's? Anyway you have a point about de-boosting, plus in the case of an incapacitation reaching everything necessary in the cockpit when straaped in would prove interesting!! If it's designed with 3 it should fly with 3!!!
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The DC6 wheel incident did not occur last year, it was at least two or three years ago. And it did not hit a truck, It came to rest without hitting anything apart from a fence. The aircraft landed safely without further damage. But lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story.
The patronising reference to the 'kids' at Atlantic shows evidence of a large chip on your shoulder, freightdog. These kids are as capable as any other crews, and are well respected in the industry. The two-crew operation was obviously fully approved by the CAA and as far as I am aware is going well.
The patronising reference to the 'kids' at Atlantic shows evidence of a large chip on your shoulder, freightdog. These kids are as capable as any other crews, and are well respected in the industry. The two-crew operation was obviously fully approved by the CAA and as far as I am aware is going well.
