Fun and Games at Scottish Air Ambulance (merged)
Were these the same guys that bent over backwards in the Western Isles last week when they "clocked off" for lunch and left an ambulance waiting at the airport with a patient onboard, thereby denying the island of their 999 response vehicle for an hour.
I can't imagine anyone doing this unless they are sincerely fed up and sick of the abuse. Remember the Onur Air where the Captain left?
If you don't say "stop" sometimes, the abuse will continue. If these guys were out of duty and would have crashed or even only had a mishap on the return flight it would have bein THEIR license and life on the line. NEVER expect a company to thank you after you broke the law in their favour.
Cover your @ss, that's all. They will do the same.
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I don't think they were out of duty, this happened late morning and I think they will have started their standby around 7a.m. More likely due to being fed up with current situation I think. Maybe this sort of action is the only thing they will listen to down South.
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Sounds to me like a fatigue break - full details of which will no doubt be laid out in their Part A Chapter7; and also in the ANO. Merely complying with company instructions to avoid fatigue.
I agree that better coordination with the ambulance vehicle crew would have helped.
I agree that better coordination with the ambulance vehicle crew would have helped.
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As we have heard,the facts of that break were different to the guessing games that are going on here !
Well done the crew I say !!!
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Well done the crew I say !!!
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Gama has made what should be a very enjoyable job option into a truly arduous ordeal for all concerned in Scotland!!
The majority of pilots up there, including those already working notice, are by all accounts desperate to get out. This may unfortunately be difficult with Gama re-bonding pilots every year for recurrent training.
These guys have done so much to attempt to improve things but concerns are being dismissed. As On Finals said the "Judge, Jury and Executioner" seems to regard pilots or even employees in general as expendable.
Apalling all round really!
The majority of pilots up there, including those already working notice, are by all accounts desperate to get out. This may unfortunately be difficult with Gama re-bonding pilots every year for recurrent training.
These guys have done so much to attempt to improve things but concerns are being dismissed. As On Finals said the "Judge, Jury and Executioner" seems to regard pilots or even employees in general as expendable.
Apalling all round really!
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Yes,poor old Gamma,seem to be getting hammered on this and the 'biz jet' forum too !!!
Its becoming pretty damn clear now that things are very much amiss with this company !
Looks like their pilots are being permanently bonded and shackled to Gamma.These guys should have threatened to stop work,that would have got results till the hours business was sorted by their 'head in the sand' managers.Who are the guys running the show ? Why have they not sorted it ? Can't be doing their reputation any good !!!
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Its becoming pretty damn clear now that things are very much amiss with this company !
Looks like their pilots are being permanently bonded and shackled to Gamma.These guys should have threatened to stop work,that would have got results till the hours business was sorted by their 'head in the sand' managers.Who are the guys running the show ? Why have they not sorted it ? Can't be doing their reputation any good !!!
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Give the Kingairs to loganair and let them run the air ambulance service again
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Company have WITHELD his salary as he is still bonded.
As far as I understand it the withdrawl of payment of salary is actually illegal, having been there myself in a previous time and had exactly the same. HTey paid my salary after an appropriate call from my soliciitor.
Any bond and salary are different issues.
Good luck
As far as I understand it the withdrawl of payment of salary is actually illegal, having been there myself in a previous time and had exactly the same. HTey paid my salary after an appropriate call from my soliciitor.
Any bond and salary are different issues.
Good luck
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Not necessarily, as the pilot may have agreed to this when signing his bond (depending on how the bond is written). If you agree to the company witholding your salary whilst there is an oustanding bond, you are pretty much stuffed...
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I understand that in this case the deviations from the Flight Time Limitations Scheme were so blatent that the FOI should not need a CHIRPS report to be aware of them.
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But if the FOI is gutless, useless individual, like most are, then nothing will change. During my time in the industry, I've heard just about every excuse possible from the CAA and FOI's on why they should NOT do anything when regulatory issues are raised. The GAMA guys are getting stuffeed well and truly, right under the noses of the authorities.
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Just heard thro' the grapevine that another Captain in Scotland (GLA) has resigned from this company!
Has the CAA nothing to say I wonder about what is going on there ?
That makes 4 out of their 5 Capts. working their notice !
What is this outfit all about;has anybody any ideas ?
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Has the CAA nothing to say I wonder about what is going on there ?
That makes 4 out of their 5 Capts. working their notice !
What is this outfit all about;has anybody any ideas ?
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Their only engineer for the Scottish bases is also leaving 'cos he's sick of them too !
More resignations in the pipeline apparently are going to leave them precious little guys to work with.Still I suppose there will be the fresh faced newbies coming along for their first job and they'll take anything.
I've heard that this management likes to rule with a big stick and is like something from the dark ages,treating their employees(and not just pilots)like something brought in on the underside of your shoe.
Now then,
would anyone like a job ?
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More resignations in the pipeline apparently are going to leave them precious little guys to work with.Still I suppose there will be the fresh faced newbies coming along for their first job and they'll take anything.
I've heard that this management likes to rule with a big stick and is like something from the dark ages,treating their employees(and not just pilots)like something brought in on the underside of your shoe.
Now then,
would anyone like a job ?
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I remember attending an interview with these people a few years back... forget the name of the chap I met but thought him an arrogant little pr*ck and I couldn't wait for the interview to be over... I was sitting there thinking, "If this is how they conduct themselves towards someone whom they want to employ... and are trying to impress... how on earth do they treat those who now depend on them for their livelihood ? "... Walking out into the sunshine was a blessed relief... I didn't even feel to do them the courtesy of responding to their calls a few days later.
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It is one thing to employ "fresh face newbies" wanting to get on the greasy pole for the first time, it quite something different trying to attract direct entry captains.
Continuous bonding for ongoing LPC/OPC. Nothing like generating loyality and goodwill is there. Something the beancounters clearly do not to understand - intangible asset. The price of everything, and the value of nothing?
There are far more successful ways of dealing with pilots than using a big stick approach. Ask the question why their middle management are using this style. Is this their choice, or something "imposed" from above by one dominent individual ? Which ever way - they can forgot the annual bonuses by the look of it.
Anyway all very sad, with their Scottish ambulance contract only 6+ months into what I suspect is a 7 year contract.
Continuous bonding for ongoing LPC/OPC. Nothing like generating loyality and goodwill is there. Something the beancounters clearly do not to understand - intangible asset. The price of everything, and the value of nothing?
There are far more successful ways of dealing with pilots than using a big stick approach. Ask the question why their middle management are using this style. Is this their choice, or something "imposed" from above by one dominent individual ? Which ever way - they can forgot the annual bonuses by the look of it.
Anyway all very sad, with their Scottish ambulance contract only 6+ months into what I suspect is a 7 year contract.
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It is one thing to employ "fresh face newbies" wanting to get on the greasy pole for the first time, it quite something different trying to attract direct entry captains.
Continuous bonding for ongoing LPC/OPC. Nothing like generating loyality and goodwill is there. Something the beancounters clearly do not to understand - intangible asset. The price of everything, and the value of nothing?
There are far more successful ways of dealing with pilots than using a big stick approach. Ask the question why their middle management are using this style. Is this their choice, or something "imposed" from above by one dominent individual ? Which ever way - they can forgot the annual bonuses by the look of it.
Anyway all very sad, with their Scottish ambulance contract only 6+ months into what I suspect is a 7 year contract.
Continuous bonding for ongoing LPC/OPC. Nothing like generating loyality and goodwill is there. Something the beancounters clearly do not to understand - intangible asset. The price of everything, and the value of nothing?
There are far more successful ways of dealing with pilots than using a big stick approach. Ask the question why their middle management are using this style. Is this their choice, or something "imposed" from above by one dominent individual ? Which ever way - they can forgot the annual bonuses by the look of it.
Anyway all very sad, with their Scottish ambulance contract only 6+ months into what I suspect is a 7 year contract.
Have the pilots settled their dispite with management then ,DOES ANYBODY KNOW ?
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I started this thread after a friend told me what was happening at the Scottish Air Ambulance, (I had an interest having done the job in another life).
Since the initial post others have sent me a load of paperwork on the matter and I was able to download CAP 371 and The Civil Aviation (Working Time) Regulations 2004 (CAAWTRs) from the web. Having read this stuff It appears to me that GAMA are operating outside CAP371 AND CAAWTRs and that the CAA are not enforcing the regulations.
Since the initial post others have sent me a load of paperwork on the matter and I was able to download CAP 371 and The Civil Aviation (Working Time) Regulations 2004 (CAAWTRs) from the web. Having read this stuff It appears to me that GAMA are operating outside CAP371 AND CAAWTRs and that the CAA are not enforcing the regulations.