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...because of a new amendment to the JAR's concerning fuelling procedures. It is now required to have a fueling supervisor. This person either needs to be approved by JAA, or "simply" be a flightdeck crew member. He shall stay connected with a headset to communicate with flightdeck.
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How will this impact on quick turnarounds? Paperwork, cockpit setup, briefings etc etc still need to be done........but only one pilot is available, for the duration of the refuelling. Will this be a problem?
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Not just FR, other airlines also following suit. Its a new JAR ops requirement (amendment 7 of JAR Ops 1) for a fuel supervisor to be in attendance during fueling.
"A two way communication shall be established and sall remain available by the aeroplane's intercommunication system or other suitable means between the ground crew supervising the refuelling and the qualified personnel on board the aeroplane".
I guess all operators will have to implement procedures to comply with the regulation.
"A two way communication shall be established and sall remain available by the aeroplane's intercommunication system or other suitable means between the ground crew supervising the refuelling and the qualified personnel on board the aeroplane".
I guess all operators will have to implement procedures to comply with the regulation.
"other suitable means" meant "open cockpit window and someone knowledgeable on the flight deck" so far. Guess this is just not highttech enough. And maybe someone can fill in a piece of paper, to be countersigned by someone else everytime the headset is plugged in. And again when it's plugged out... 
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Always thought the re-fuelling chappie was a fuelling supervisor. Give him a headset. Next it will be bakc to the good old KGB days of having a supervisor for the supervisor etc. etc. And there was always some shadowy figure in dark trench coat, collar turned up, in the corners watching everyone.
Having said that; what has prompted this? Surely the JAA has more important things to think about; real safety issues.
Having said that; what has prompted this? Surely the JAA has more important things to think about; real safety issues.
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Back in the good old days of CAP 360 there was a requirement to have someone nominated as the 'Fuel Overseer' for every uplift. No one paid any attention to it though.
Properly because then you didn't have to get your headset out and look important!
Properly because then you didn't have to get your headset out and look important!
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So what happened to make the JAA change procedures? How much does this new fueling procedure enhance safety? How many aircraft and lives dose the JAA expect to save with this new procedure? How does the Flight Deck provide a safety enhancement during the fueling while doing cockpit duties with a quick turnaround? Does the Flight Deck crew get any additional training in the new fueling procedures or do you just clamp on a headset and try to look smart in a blowing snow storm?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Inquiring minds want to know!
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Its a JAR requirement...not a wind-up...
Do you think Brussels has a clue about the real issues here....?
I agree with someone knowing what they're doing when pumping gas - but having drivers standing there, yacking into a headset ?
Do you think Brussels has a clue about the real issues here....?
I agree with someone knowing what they're doing when pumping gas - but having drivers standing there, yacking into a headset ?
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The boys in black are roving the ramps and spot checking crews to make sure they are in compliance with this procedure... so beware one and all for you never know what evil lurks in the corners
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Originally Posted by madherb
How will this impact on quick turnarounds? Paperwork, cockpit setup, briefings etc etc still need to be done........but only one pilot is available, for the duration of the refuelling. Will this be a problem?
And it better be printed on waterproof paper!
Seriously, are there any procedures and tecniques prescribed for refuelling superviser or it's just the case of JAA saying : "You need to have someone supervising the refuelling and his duties and responsibilities are for you to devise, dear aeroplane operator."?
Seriously, are there any procedures and tecniques prescribed for refuelling superviser or it's just the case of JAA saying : "You need to have someone supervising the refuelling and his duties and responsibilities are for you to devise, dear aeroplane operator."?
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thats to do with the new fueling reg's that have now been introduced.pilots have now to oversee the refueling of the a/c.Thats why you see them with the headset on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!