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Old 28th Jul 2006, 17:14
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FedEx Off Runway MEM

Just got an e-mail claiming FedEx is off the runway (again) at MEM with a report of fire...

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FedEx plane makes emergency landing at Memphis International Airport

July 28, 2006 01:10 PM EDT

FedEx plane accident at Memphis International Airport

A FedEx MD-10 caught fire after landing at the Memphis International Airport. Three people were on board the plane at the time of the incident, and have been reported safe. A fire at the scene of the accident has also been put out.

Runway 18 at Memphis International Airport is currently closed, but officials at the airport say that passenger traffic is not being affected.

http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=5210979

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FedEx plane makes fiery landing in Memphis

By Ruma Banerji Kumar

July 28, 2006

A FedEx plane had a fiery landing around 11:30 Friday when landing gear on the left side of the plane collapsed and caused a major fire. The plane’s crew got out of the plane in time to avoid injuries, said airport authority president and chief executive Larry Cox. The Memphis Fire Department was able to put out the flames quickly, but fire authorities are still conducting thermal imaging tests to check for hotspots that could cause further flareups.
There was "substantial damage," Cox said to both wings of the MD-10 plane because of the heavy smoke, fire and rocky landing. The crash temporarily closed one of the airport’s western runways, which could spur slight delays for Northwest Airline flights leaving and arriving midday, Cox said.

He said an accident investigation is underway.


http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/...877376,00.html

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Old 28th Jul 2006, 19:57
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Pix and video from WMC-TV, Memphis.



Good job everybody's OK. It's been a bad coupla days for FedEx.
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there goes their no-claims discount , glad to hear all ok though
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by now FED EX must have one of the worst hull loss records in the industry!


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I guess you have to consider the size of their fleet when talking about their hull loss rate...Worldwide 671 A/C, with 257 of those showing up on the US registry according to the FAAs website. I don't know how that compares with the Pax carriers, but it sounds like a lot to me!
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Pretty striking pic, flynverted. It looks to have been taken right after it occurred. Those in the neighbourhood must have had quite a spectacle.
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The airplane is down at the far end of the runway, it appears that the gear collapsed after they were down to taxi speed or so.

These are some OLD heavily loaded aircraft.

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>>by now FED EX must have one of the worst hull loss records in the industry!

Sadly, FedEx seems to have a widebody hull loss every two or three years. If they were a pax carrier there would be enormous adverse publicity and probably many casualties as well.

I've got friends over at FedEx who tell me the FAA has been all over their training for years now. Instead of annual AQP sim checks like most U.S. carriers, they are under a closely monitored old style six month program.

The pilot flying in the December 2003 MD-10 hard landing and fire at MEM had a history of busted checkrides before she was hired. In April, 1994 the feds pulled her ATP after an FAA inspector observed her performance. She took more training and got the ATP back and was hired by FedEx in 1996. At FedEx she had more checkride failures, a couple of DUI's and an altitude bust that set up the fateful Mad Dog line check back into MEM. Is it possible that "diversity" was promoted over performance in this case? A possibly similar precedent at FedEx was the overlooked poor employment history of Auburn Calloway who brutally attempted to hijack a FedEx DC-10 in MEM in 1994.

Traditionally, FedEx has had very high employment standards for the freight world, i.e. almost all pilots have college degrees (well, there are some Naval Academy graduates <g>) and many are like the founder, Fred Smith, ex-military aviators. The company is consistently profitable and maintenance is excellent by most accounts.

Still, the mishaps and hull losses continue at what everyone agrees is an unacceptable rate...
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Old 29th Jul 2006, 16:29
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While Smith was in my beloved Marine Corps, I don't believe he was an aviator.


"Is it possible that "diversity" was promoted over performance in this case?"

A bold (and valid) question that FEDEX needs to answer. Standby for a flogging from the PC nazis for even raising the question.
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If "diversity" is an active policy then, by definition, promotions over performance are inevitable - otherwise "diversity" wouldn't exist
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bummer

anyone have the surface winds at the time of the crack up? if i am not mistaken transport planes can handle a dead drop (no lift) of 6 feet.

perhaps a fractured landing gear on a previous flight? ham fisted pilot?


that post about the atp that lost her ticket for awhile is quite amazing...and the world of getting hired at an airline or freight place is a tough one to fully understand.

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wx around the time of the crash I think...anyone with exact Z time of crack up please let us all know.

SPECI KMEM 281630Z 27014G18KT 10SM FEW075 SCT100 OVC150 26/18 A3015 RMK AO2
METAR KMEM 281653Z 26010KT 230V300 10SM FEW075 SCT100 OVC150 26/17 A3016 RMK AO2 SLP208 T02610172
METAR KMEM 281753Z VRB06KT 10SM FEW080 SCT100 OVC150 26/18 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP206 60000 T02610178 10261 20228 50010
SPECI KMEM 281817Z 27007KT 10SM BKN029 BKN075 OVC095 26/18 A3015 RMK AO2
SPECI KMEM 281846Z 22007KT 10SM -RA FEW017 BKN031 BKN075 OVC150 27/19 A3014 RMK AO2 RAB45 P0000
METAR KMEM 281853Z 25004KT 10SM -RA FEW017 BKN031 BKN075 OVC150 27/20 A3014 RMK AO2 RAB45 SLP200 P0000 T02670200
METAR KMEM 281953Z 22006KT 10SM SCT019 BKN110 OVC150 28/22 A3012 RMK AO2 RAE17 SLP194 P0000 T02780217
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Originally Posted by West Coast
While Smith was in my beloved Marine Corps, I don't believe he was an aviator.
You are right, I inadvertantly overstated his qualifications tremendously ...
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Don't forget the hull losses they had at Subic Bay. Didn't they loose a couple of buses out there? I seem to recal a picture of a FedEx bus up to its tail in water. I've seen the water in Subic Bay. Not exactly the kind of water you might want to take a dip in.

Was this a mechanical problem with the plane, or did it just happen all of a sudden during landing?

What is it with all these landing accidents at FedEx? Their fleet size is about the same as AA. If AA had these many accidents the FAA would be all over them like white on rice.

Didn't they just skid a three holer off the runway in KY? Last I remember they smeared one into Talahasse a couple years back.

I wouldn't be surprised if working those late hours is the reason that their safety record is so bad. After all, fatigue is almost always a factor when an aircraft crashes due to pilot error. The human body is just not designed to be awake at odd hours of the night.

I see so many DC-10/MD-11 planes being converted at FedEx's hangar in LAX. If they keep loosing them at this rate, they are gonna run out.

I wonder how the A380 will handle a FedEx landing? (just kidding)

I'm glad the crew made it out OK.
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Originally Posted by Sqwak7700
What is it with all these landing accidents at FedEx? Their fleet size is about the same as AA. If AA had these many accidents the FAA would be all over them like white on rice.
Actually, FedEx has about half as many mainline planes as American (326 vs. 700)!

Another popular website lists the breakdown as follows:

American:

777: 45
767-300: 58
767-200: 16
A300: 34
757: 143
MD80: 327
737-800: 77

FedEx:

MD11: 42
MD10: 41
DC10: 38
A300: 47
A310: 51
727-200: 94
727-100: 13

Some of the news media reports count the FedEx "feeder" aircraft, their safety record is absolutely abysmal, the Miami Herald recently did an exposé on that dangerous segment of the industry:

http://www.miami.com/multimedia/miam...ess/index.html

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To my recollection, this will be the sixth hull loss for Fedex in recent history.
Going from memory here....not necessarily in chronological order.
MD-10 MEM July, 2006 (looks like a hull loss)
MD-10 MEM 2003
B727 Tallahassee, Fl.
DC-10 Stewart, N.Y. (Aircraft landed ok, burnt due to undeclared hazmat - sound familiar?). I was right behind him that morning....diverted to EWR.
MD-11 Subic Bay - as I recall, there were split airspeed indications, and they slaved the good one to the bad ADC. Went off runway end at high speed....aircraft broke apart, but crew ok.
MD-11 - EWR “Turtle” accident……
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Does anyone have any information on the scenario of this accident?

When/how did the gear fail, etc.?
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Maybe the same lady was flying this time?
Maybe crosswind landings need to be practiced a wee bit more.
College does not make a well flown plane!
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"College does not make a well flown plane!"

If only the operational side of the companies had the say and not the touchy feeley folks in HR/people dept/whatever they are called had the final say.
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especially an aeronautical college!

I can spot a good pilot within 5 minutes of working with him/her and sadly the opposite, a bad pilot also within 5 minutes.


by bad I mean mediocre and medicore doesn't belong in the cockpit.
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