Emirates 2% Payrise
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Emirates 2% Payrise
Emirates made DHS 535 millions profit last financial year, now they give us 2% payrise and 3 weeks profit share (we get paid for 12 month).
Next Year they want to see at least 600 million profit otherwise no profit share.
What do you think about it? Shall we join the Lufthansa guys?
Next Year they want to see at least 600 million profit otherwise no profit share.
What do you think about it? Shall we join the Lufthansa guys?
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Fellas, better learn your lesson quickly (as opposed to those of us here at CX...!). The only way to ensure you are treated with proper professional respect is to subject your management to a short, sharp, shock. I can guarantee that they won't pay you a penny more than they are while the aircraft continue to operate normally (...why should they?). We have had to learn the hard way that the managements of airlines only understand power, and unless you wield it in your favour, they will wield it in theirs. Good luck
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Get real man.
Theyīd kick anyone of you out faster than you can say "str*ke".
No union, no rights and an extremely inhomogenous group of pilots (says nothing about their quality of work!!).
Just think of last year.
And...a starter in EK makes about as much net as a ten year LH-FO, plus housing utilities etc.
Youīll have at least three guys for each one of you knocking down their door, just to get a position.
Not that you shouldnīt try it, nevertheless...
Theyīd kick anyone of you out faster than you can say "str*ke".
No union, no rights and an extremely inhomogenous group of pilots (says nothing about their quality of work!!).
Just think of last year.
And...a starter in EK makes about as much net as a ten year LH-FO, plus housing utilities etc.
Youīll have at least three guys for each one of you knocking down their door, just to get a position.
Not that you shouldnīt try it, nevertheless...
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Two percent, wow, that much? Why keep going and someday an EK widebody captain will make over $100K a year for 90 hours hard time a month.
Those Delta guys complain but they don't know how good they have it...
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Warlock:
Our numbers suck and yours arenīt much better.
I know there isnīt any grass down there - (Tim A. wanted me to come for three days and that was it - lucky me, I guess, I didnīt even have to have sleepless nights).
Of course 2% is worse than a slap in the face (considering he profits and planned expansion), but as you know better than I do, HRH is a "shrewd" businessman and you people are nothing more than mercenaries to him.
Do you think the "management" from the "subcontinent" would support you?
I know a few great guys in EK and I wish you all the best of luck!
Our numbers suck and yours arenīt much better.
I know there isnīt any grass down there - (Tim A. wanted me to come for three days and that was it - lucky me, I guess, I didnīt even have to have sleepless nights).
Of course 2% is worse than a slap in the face (considering he profits and planned expansion), but as you know better than I do, HRH is a "shrewd" businessman and you people are nothing more than mercenaries to him.
Do you think the "management" from the "subcontinent" would support you?
I know a few great guys in EK and I wish you all the best of luck!
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The Company states that this years Pilots pay award is in fact 5%. However, they fail to understand that the Pilots pay scales reflect an automatic 3% yearly increment, which means that although all other employees in the Emirates group have received a 5% salary rise, the Pilots have effectively received only 2%!!
The only way things will improve is if people start voting with their feet. Otherwise all the continual whinging will amount to nothing. Actions speak louder than words!!
Its a great shame that it should be like this, but that's just the way it is.
Nevertheless, Emirates is still a great job (money aside!!!), and Dubai is a fantastic place to live. For example last week Sting played live here, and last night Go West and Tony Hadley were on stage. Dubai, the cultural Capital of the World!!!
The only way things will improve is if people start voting with their feet. Otherwise all the continual whinging will amount to nothing. Actions speak louder than words!!
Its a great shame that it should be like this, but that's just the way it is.
Nevertheless, Emirates is still a great job (money aside!!!), and Dubai is a fantastic place to live. For example last week Sting played live here, and last night Go West and Tony Hadley were on stage. Dubai, the cultural Capital of the World!!!
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..hang on Fugazi, Cultural Capital of the world you might think it is, but once you have had an entertaiing night with Sting, Tony Hadley, Go west, et al, just have a peek in your wallet and see how much it has cost you, perhaps for you and your family. More than a 2% pay rise can support for too long I would wager !
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Gee, thanks for the rallying us all, Mr. Cathay Resistance, but I've done a quick check and all the Emirates pilots have a maturity level exceeding that of a five-year-old. You can see therefore that it will impossible for us to call in en masse and claim we can't come to work because we have a tummy ache.
More importantly, as both our companies are firmly situated in the real world it is the OWNER of the company who decides what the salaries will be. If he get's it completely wrong, pilots will leave. It is very important to note that in the last ten years NOT ONE pilot has left Emirates for a job which offered both better pay and better conditions, nor will any leave now.
Anyone who thinks they can drive up salaries by anonymous peeing and moaning had better create a new forum called "Impotent Avarice", although it could be argued that "Fragrant Harbour" adequately meets that need.
More importantly, as both our companies are firmly situated in the real world it is the OWNER of the company who decides what the salaries will be. If he get's it completely wrong, pilots will leave. It is very important to note that in the last ten years NOT ONE pilot has left Emirates for a job which offered both better pay and better conditions, nor will any leave now.
Anyone who thinks they can drive up salaries by anonymous peeing and moaning had better create a new forum called "Impotent Avarice", although it could be argued that "Fragrant Harbour" adequately meets that need.
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I think the point that everyone seems to be missing is that EVERYONE at EK got a 5% (total) salary increase. NOT ONLY THE PILOTS.
So, to me, in a world where airline pilots are asking for 20% plus (and getting it), this implies that by sitting at the sharp edge of a widebody, your value basicly equates to that of the flight ops janitor.
Please excuse me for being p!ssed off.
So, to me, in a world where airline pilots are asking for 20% plus (and getting it), this implies that by sitting at the sharp edge of a widebody, your value basicly equates to that of the flight ops janitor.
Please excuse me for being p!ssed off.
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>>It is very important to note that in the last ten years NOT ONE pilot has left Emirates for a job which offered both better pay and better conditions, nor will any leave now.<<
Most couldn't get a better job elsewhere, otherwise they wouldn't be expats living in a desert war zone working for HRH Sheikh Mak. "Give a Brit a title and he'll work for nothing" as the saying goes <g>. You won't see many American expats until the next unsuccessful ALPA strike... If a guy tells you he was a captain at United and left to get a job at Emirates, I'd check his story quite carefully.
EK is a great airline with explosive growth potential. However, the pilot salaries are pathetic compared to what we get here in the U.S., the Comair pilots are trying to get more for flying an RJ than an EK 777 captain makes.
Most couldn't get a better job elsewhere, otherwise they wouldn't be expats living in a desert war zone working for HRH Sheikh Mak. "Give a Brit a title and he'll work for nothing" as the saying goes <g>. You won't see many American expats until the next unsuccessful ALPA strike... If a guy tells you he was a captain at United and left to get a job at Emirates, I'd check his story quite carefully.
EK is a great airline with explosive growth potential. However, the pilot salaries are pathetic compared to what we get here in the U.S., the Comair pilots are trying to get more for flying an RJ than an EK 777 captain makes.
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Tony Hadley is the ex-Lead singer with an 80's UK band called Spandau Ballet. I spent my 2% going to the show and wished that I'd taken the missus out for a couple of shawarmas instead. Well, it woudl have had to have been one actually, as I couldn't stretch to a couple, you see the pay rise was not quite what we had hope for, I digress.......
Go West weren't bad, but Mr. Hadley came across as a rather obnoxious sad git who hadn't realised that he was there as part of a retro night, not as a headline attraction to a bunch of impressionable teenagers.
Anyway, we've got Jimmy Barnes (AC/DC - the band not his particular preference...) coming over and those great crooners, Air Supply as well as the Battle of the Bands gig at the end of the month, with all this fun to be had, who needs a payrise?!!
Go West weren't bad, but Mr. Hadley came across as a rather obnoxious sad git who hadn't realised that he was there as part of a retro night, not as a headline attraction to a bunch of impressionable teenagers.
Anyway, we've got Jimmy Barnes (AC/DC - the band not his particular preference...) coming over and those great crooners, Air Supply as well as the Battle of the Bands gig at the end of the month, with all this fun to be had, who needs a payrise?!!
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It is interesting to note that candidates interviewd recently for FO positions have all been "mature" in order to bolster the experience levels at EK. Most have substantial command experience and would otherwise be the very people applying for DEC positions.Sad to say that the success rate has been a dismal 35%.
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I must admit to being very surprised by the lack of responses from the pilots at Emirates to the 2% pay raise. How does it feel to be valued by the company at the same level as the guy who dumps the lavs or sweeps the hangar floor? I feel this is an insult and would have just as soon seen them keep their 2%.
It is obvious EK has decided to test the waters and see what the pilots are made of (or to be more precise how little they are prepared to settle for). Probably not such a difficult thing to do when there is no pilot representation but what price do you put on loyalty? How much is it worth to EK to lose that loyalty? How much can/do pilots contribute (or maybe not contribute should that loyalty be lost) to the bottom line?
It might of benefit for those who still think Emirates is a "good deal" to read the post by ex-expat on "low paid uk pilots". And for those who may be thinking of EK as a career with all of its shiny toys maybe this "pay raise" will give you an idea of what you'll be dealing with for your career.
It is obvious EK has decided to test the waters and see what the pilots are made of (or to be more precise how little they are prepared to settle for). Probably not such a difficult thing to do when there is no pilot representation but what price do you put on loyalty? How much is it worth to EK to lose that loyalty? How much can/do pilots contribute (or maybe not contribute should that loyalty be lost) to the bottom line?
It might of benefit for those who still think Emirates is a "good deal" to read the post by ex-expat on "low paid uk pilots". And for those who may be thinking of EK as a career with all of its shiny toys maybe this "pay raise" will give you an idea of what you'll be dealing with for your career.