Emirates 2% Payrise
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For Dune and Warlock...
EK Janitor/Lav dumper salary is probably 1000 DHS per month, so he gets a 50 DHS ($13.62 US) per month raise with the 5% increase and he appreciates it. His 3 weeks of profit bonus give him another 750 DHS ($204 USD).
EK Captain probably averages 25,000 DHS per month and he gets a 1250 DHS ($340 USD) per month increase with the increment jump (3%) and the additional 2%. Plus the 3 weeks of profit share mean another 18,750DHS ($5108 USD), so he can splurge a little.
You are no more important than any other person working within the company, so put things into perspective and either get on with the job or leave it. Simple!
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EK Janitor/Lav dumper salary is probably 1000 DHS per month, so he gets a 50 DHS ($13.62 US) per month raise with the 5% increase and he appreciates it. His 3 weeks of profit bonus give him another 750 DHS ($204 USD).
EK Captain probably averages 25,000 DHS per month and he gets a 1250 DHS ($340 USD) per month increase with the increment jump (3%) and the additional 2%. Plus the 3 weeks of profit share mean another 18,750DHS ($5108 USD), so he can splurge a little.
You are no more important than any other person working within the company, so put things into perspective and either get on with the job or leave it. Simple!
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a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
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Yup.
Youīre management isnīt stupid.
Theyīre fully aware of your possibilities.
The only way you guys can show what you think is buy leaving (or taking the 99% percent risk of organizing and having the "leaders" kicked out) - to where?
Why did you leave your old employer in the first place?
They know, and thatīs how they select their pilots...
Gotta make the best of the situation, which isnīt hopeless if you relax a little.
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Youīre management isnīt stupid.
Theyīre fully aware of your possibilities.
The only way you guys can show what you think is buy leaving (or taking the 99% percent risk of organizing and having the "leaders" kicked out) - to where?
Why did you leave your old employer in the first place?
They know, and thatīs how they select their pilots...
Gotta make the best of the situation, which isnīt hopeless if you relax a little.
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Luke,
Spot on!. I left EK seven years ago and in some respects regret doing so. I do remember the pilots being treated like gods - picked up to go to "work" and back, best of the villas etc. Are pilots never happy? A lot seem to think they are above everyone else in the airline industry. The guy that dumps the lavs is as important as the pilot (how many flights will depart with full waste tanks?) and frankly deserve a lot more.
So, flyboys, take a reality check! Strike at EK? First flight home!!
Every time I fly I wonder what sort of mentality is in charge up front (at least during take-off). Fair degree of confidence when AFCS is in command.
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Spot on!. I left EK seven years ago and in some respects regret doing so. I do remember the pilots being treated like gods - picked up to go to "work" and back, best of the villas etc. Are pilots never happy? A lot seem to think they are above everyone else in the airline industry. The guy that dumps the lavs is as important as the pilot (how many flights will depart with full waste tanks?) and frankly deserve a lot more.
So, flyboys, take a reality check! Strike at EK? First flight home!!
Every time I fly I wonder what sort of mentality is in charge up front (at least during take-off). Fair degree of confidence when AFCS is in command.
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Sandkfir - why the high failure rate of these " mature experienced applicants." Thought that there was a drive to get these sort of guys but if its a 35% pass rate after the intial screening ( and no doubt a reference from some EK employee)then what the hell is going on?
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DISBANDED!!?? I'll have you know, Mr. Cacky Pants, that the band are alive and well and if you venture down to www.marillion.com you may even find a better way of life!
As for coming to Dubai, that is on the cards, EMI are onto it as are Dubai FM, the band are keen, just need the sponsorship now. If I can get them more airplay on the radio, and onto Emirates Airline in-flight radio, I am sure that I can get them over here for a concert. The show can't be as bad as Tony Hadley at the country club....
Phil Collins? Who's he? Maybe he just happens to look like me...
There was an incident on a Japanese train once involving me, a Phil Collins T-Shirt and three Japanese schoolkids, God that was funny....
P.S. Fish left Marillion years ago, anyway I've hijacked the thread, back to the payrise...
Marillion / Anoraknophobia, the new Album. It's good to be an Anorak.
Forget your prejudices, just buy it and listen....
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As for coming to Dubai, that is on the cards, EMI are onto it as are Dubai FM, the band are keen, just need the sponsorship now. If I can get them more airplay on the radio, and onto Emirates Airline in-flight radio, I am sure that I can get them over here for a concert. The show can't be as bad as Tony Hadley at the country club....
Phil Collins? Who's he? Maybe he just happens to look like me...
There was an incident on a Japanese train once involving me, a Phil Collins T-Shirt and three Japanese schoolkids, God that was funny....
P.S. Fish left Marillion years ago, anyway I've hijacked the thread, back to the payrise...
Marillion / Anoraknophobia, the new Album. It's good to be an Anorak.
Forget your prejudices, just buy it and listen....
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Emirates....
Mature pilots success rate 35%.....Does make you think doesnt it!!
Management is not stupid at EK, they need "drivers" not brains. Now these drivers must value status and a Disney type life, rather than Integrity and selfrespect.
Many people can fly aeroplanes, lets face it! But to have an opinion and backbone made people like Mandela different, the fact that most majors in Europe promote this is to get a cockpit enviroment that is critical of its own performance so to exersise realistic self-confidence and humbleness.
As far as I know, Emirates pilots are a bunch of rejects from Europe/Australia/NZ who cant believe the position they are in at EK....to good to be true....
This syndrome makes happy people, but surely doesnt promote a mature and humble flight deck enviroment. The fact that this is a major consern for managment when they select pilots says more about the airline rather than the pilots. The pilots are simply "drivers" that can be replaced if equiped with an opinion, and be sure....it takes them two hours to get you out of the UAE with a cancelled residence permit would they not like you.....
Lets also be fair and say that Iīm happy for everyone who has a position at EK, as they have found somthing good which they couldnt find back home. However dont try to convince me that you would not rather be in your home country at a good position with your national carrier.
Would I experience this so called "failure" I would see it as sign of personal maturity, as a company like Emirates has this as their main point to fail people on......Good luck EK, and boys....(because you do not accept female drivers do you???) have a good time at Disney Land (somebody called it the real world....pathetic)for as long as it lasts....
United Arab [email protected] thank you, not for me.
Mature pilots success rate 35%.....Does make you think doesnt it!!
Management is not stupid at EK, they need "drivers" not brains. Now these drivers must value status and a Disney type life, rather than Integrity and selfrespect.
Many people can fly aeroplanes, lets face it! But to have an opinion and backbone made people like Mandela different, the fact that most majors in Europe promote this is to get a cockpit enviroment that is critical of its own performance so to exersise realistic self-confidence and humbleness.
As far as I know, Emirates pilots are a bunch of rejects from Europe/Australia/NZ who cant believe the position they are in at EK....to good to be true....
This syndrome makes happy people, but surely doesnt promote a mature and humble flight deck enviroment. The fact that this is a major consern for managment when they select pilots says more about the airline rather than the pilots. The pilots are simply "drivers" that can be replaced if equiped with an opinion, and be sure....it takes them two hours to get you out of the UAE with a cancelled residence permit would they not like you.....
Lets also be fair and say that Iīm happy for everyone who has a position at EK, as they have found somthing good which they couldnt find back home. However dont try to convince me that you would not rather be in your home country at a good position with your national carrier.
Would I experience this so called "failure" I would see it as sign of personal maturity, as a company like Emirates has this as their main point to fail people on......Good luck EK, and boys....(because you do not accept female drivers do you???) have a good time at Disney Land (somebody called it the real world....pathetic)for as long as it lasts....
United Arab [email protected] thank you, not for me.
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twitchy,
I personnaly dont care if Indian Airlines got a 40% rise....is the company making money ? Living in India is probably a lot cheaper than other places but have you tried living there ? Try the taxis in summer ( bring your own a/c ) and you will know what I'm talking about. A hugh majority of us pilots know that its not all about money. If you can strike a balance between both and get all your priorities right ( wether you are single or married with/without kids) then some "packages" will look very attractive than others. I am sure a lot of us do not agree that " most of the pilots in EK are a bunch of rejects from UK/OZZ/NZ as was implied by someone on this thread. Who are you to say that ? What proof do you have?
They have people from SQ, BA,BMI,QF,CX,LH,LTU, MH,SAA,ANZ etc,etc...rejects you say ? Then I felt so sorry for you. They, I learned have also got a few whom left years ago and came back. BTW, how many airlines drove their pilots to work in a latest V 70 or sometimes a BMW 740i as I was told....is it right EK boys or you are just exxagerating ?
I personnaly dont care if Indian Airlines got a 40% rise....is the company making money ? Living in India is probably a lot cheaper than other places but have you tried living there ? Try the taxis in summer ( bring your own a/c ) and you will know what I'm talking about. A hugh majority of us pilots know that its not all about money. If you can strike a balance between both and get all your priorities right ( wether you are single or married with/without kids) then some "packages" will look very attractive than others. I am sure a lot of us do not agree that " most of the pilots in EK are a bunch of rejects from UK/OZZ/NZ as was implied by someone on this thread. Who are you to say that ? What proof do you have?
They have people from SQ, BA,BMI,QF,CX,LH,LTU, MH,SAA,ANZ etc,etc...rejects you say ? Then I felt so sorry for you. They, I learned have also got a few whom left years ago and came back. BTW, how many airlines drove their pilots to work in a latest V 70 or sometimes a BMW 740i as I was told....is it right EK boys or you are just exxagerating ?
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Did EK actually get a payrise. Last time I looked in my shopping basket 'realistic' inflation was running at about 10-15%. Seems to me we have just got a slightly smaller pay cut.
Loyalty is an important asset for any company but sadly it tends to get shunted to the back when a company grows from being a small employer to a larger one. I believe Virgin has suffered from a similar problem , where the bearded one has traded on loyalty for years whilst gradually diminishing the worth of his employees. Sadly when the loyalty of the troops starts to disappear, the initial effects are very insidious but then a glut of experience is lost 3 or 4 years down the line and it takes many more years to correct the situation.
Emirates is quite proactive in a lot of areas but the company will screw itself it continues to devalue the employees. Lack of representation is a snag, but always will be in the middle east, there was one rumour swirling that the management had been authorised to give pilots a 29% payrise but had also been told they would get 1% of any savings made in reducing this rise. If this is true it appears to be another example of the management padding their wallets at the expense of employees.
Emirates is in danger of becoming that old tree full of monkeys, everyone looking down from the top of the tree sees smiling faces but all the monkeys at the bottom can see are a bunch of....
Loyalty is an important asset for any company but sadly it tends to get shunted to the back when a company grows from being a small employer to a larger one. I believe Virgin has suffered from a similar problem , where the bearded one has traded on loyalty for years whilst gradually diminishing the worth of his employees. Sadly when the loyalty of the troops starts to disappear, the initial effects are very insidious but then a glut of experience is lost 3 or 4 years down the line and it takes many more years to correct the situation.
Emirates is quite proactive in a lot of areas but the company will screw itself it continues to devalue the employees. Lack of representation is a snag, but always will be in the middle east, there was one rumour swirling that the management had been authorised to give pilots a 29% payrise but had also been told they would get 1% of any savings made in reducing this rise. If this is true it appears to be another example of the management padding their wallets at the expense of employees.
Emirates is in danger of becoming that old tree full of monkeys, everyone looking down from the top of the tree sees smiling faces but all the monkeys at the bottom can see are a bunch of....
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AirheadRanger,
May I suggest you get your facts straight before shooting your mouth off and making a complete @rse of yourself in front of the whole world? You clearly have no idea of what happens at EK, nor where the pilots come from. Try going back and reading Kurmitola's post!
No prizes for guessing why you didn't make the EK interview
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May I suggest you get your facts straight before shooting your mouth off and making a complete @rse of yourself in front of the whole world? You clearly have no idea of what happens at EK, nor where the pilots come from. Try going back and reading Kurmitola's post!
No prizes for guessing why you didn't make the EK interview
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KURMITOLA
I don't know from your post that whether you were replying to my post or AirbornRanger's. I think you are handicapped with DR navigation(just with the page change you don't know where are you going on the thread). I have never lived in India and don't know the living conditions there. What my point was that even a 3rd world country is paying its pilots well. whereas airlines like EK,SQ etc talk about peanuts (2% or 5% pay rise) Its like a straight slap on the face. May be you guys are used to it being away from your own country (2nd class citizen)' More over its an open forum so don't get bugged. Learn to enjoy yourself on a desert safari. We are happy in our own country and certainly doing very well so what we don't have maids like you.
I don't know from your post that whether you were replying to my post or AirbornRanger's. I think you are handicapped with DR navigation(just with the page change you don't know where are you going on the thread). I have never lived in India and don't know the living conditions there. What my point was that even a 3rd world country is paying its pilots well. whereas airlines like EK,SQ etc talk about peanuts (2% or 5% pay rise) Its like a straight slap on the face. May be you guys are used to it being away from your own country (2nd class citizen)' More over its an open forum so don't get bugged. Learn to enjoy yourself on a desert safari. We are happy in our own country and certainly doing very well so what we don't have maids like you.
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So now I understand, Kermit is employed by EK management to make the job sound good. But hang on a minute isn't he the same guy who pops up on "Fragrant Harbour" making out that the CX guys are overpaid morons etc. Who the f--k is Kermit. I know, you must be the guy who hates having peanuts thrown at your girl friend.
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TO AIRBORNRANGER from Sweden...
<As far as I know, Emirates pilots are a bunch of rejects from Europe/Australia/NZ who cant believe the position they are in at EK....to good to be true....>
...if that is what you know, boy you don't know much...a quick look in the EK pilot magazine would reveal the top jobs that these guys came from. One actually left EK fot BA, BUT CAME BACK!!
No I am not employed by them (yet), but I would like you to know that there are many applicants from your own national carrier.
OK I've let off my stream!!
<As far as I know, Emirates pilots are a bunch of rejects from Europe/Australia/NZ who cant believe the position they are in at EK....to good to be true....>
...if that is what you know, boy you don't know much...a quick look in the EK pilot magazine would reveal the top jobs that these guys came from. One actually left EK fot BA, BUT CAME BACK!!
No I am not employed by them (yet), but I would like you to know that there are many applicants from your own national carrier.
OK I've let off my stream!!
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Dear fellow Aviators and Colleagues.
So much envy, discontent and resentment among colleagues in a international marketplace arriving from a 2% pay increase at EK.
For those of you that feel that you are so much better of, be sympathetic.
For those of you how "wish that you where there" you are two % better of then when you started to "wish".
For those of you that are already there and happy, do`nt worry be ha....
And for those of you that are there, but hoped for alot more, try to do something about it!
What ever the case may be, please be polite and civile to one another. WE ALL SHARE THE SAME AIRSPACE.
Regards, ten/four(10/4)
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So much envy, discontent and resentment among colleagues in a international marketplace arriving from a 2% pay increase at EK.
For those of you that feel that you are so much better of, be sympathetic.
For those of you how "wish that you where there" you are two % better of then when you started to "wish".
For those of you that are already there and happy, do`nt worry be ha....
And for those of you that are there, but hoped for alot more, try to do something about it!
What ever the case may be, please be polite and civile to one another. WE ALL SHARE THE SAME AIRSPACE.
Regards, ten/four(10/4)
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twitchy mole,
I, like ( maybe ) you work for my national carrier ( MH) and quite happy at it ( theres always areas to be improved...in my case right now...a hell of a lot !). And yes! like most of our friends in the desert, I also have a maid at home ...from a neighbouring country. I remember back in 89 when we used to have 300+ pilots from down under working with us and I believe quite a number are now in SQ, CX and also EK. So, based on the ranger's statement the rejects go to EK and the rest to CX/SQ. Care to clarify ? BTW, we dont use DR anymore...just line select, confirm and execute. Peanuts by your standard, but fuel is a lot cheaper here in KL as compared to sunny ( rainy ) UK and no BSE. As I've mention in FH, we looked out of our living room and we see the green instead of the next block of concrete plus the smell. You guys deserve a lot better pay than us and thats not a safety issue. Cheers!!
I, like ( maybe ) you work for my national carrier ( MH) and quite happy at it ( theres always areas to be improved...in my case right now...a hell of a lot !). And yes! like most of our friends in the desert, I also have a maid at home ...from a neighbouring country. I remember back in 89 when we used to have 300+ pilots from down under working with us and I believe quite a number are now in SQ, CX and also EK. So, based on the ranger's statement the rejects go to EK and the rest to CX/SQ. Care to clarify ? BTW, we dont use DR anymore...just line select, confirm and execute. Peanuts by your standard, but fuel is a lot cheaper here in KL as compared to sunny ( rainy ) UK and no BSE. As I've mention in FH, we looked out of our living room and we see the green instead of the next block of concrete plus the smell. You guys deserve a lot better pay than us and thats not a safety issue. Cheers!!
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Airbornranger. I know and I should not react since I am not too stupid to realize that you are just trying to stirr the pot. But just for the record I have a lot of friends in EK, Captains and F/O alike, who are all highly qualified professionals who most probably fly circles around you. A lot of them came from SQ where I had the pleasure to fly with them and let me assure you that they were extremely good at what they did, something that EK realized and used in their fast promotion. The only looser here is you, since it is very obvious that your single brain cell has left your empty skull to position itself in the lower parts of your body!!!
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