MAN Gear Collapse SAT
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MAN Gear Collapse SAT
Saw a sick looking Kingair on 06R with pleny of fire machines around it....Seems had a nose gear collapse then verred off the rwy. Closed EGCC for a good 30 mins before going back to single runway operation......Thankfully the two runways prevented an unwanted overnight in MAN ! What is it with MAN ??? Something always seems to happen !
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sky9,
You are right in so much as the runways are close but they do not have start and stop ends which are equal with each other, rather one starts at about the midpoint of the other. Also in my experience I have never seen aircraft operating off both runways at the same time. ATC have always made me wait for a landing aircraft on the other runway, before releasing me. Am I just lucky or do ATC normally allow aircraft to land and take-off on both runways without concern for separation?
You are right in so much as the runways are close but they do not have start and stop ends which are equal with each other, rather one starts at about the midpoint of the other. Also in my experience I have never seen aircraft operating off both runways at the same time. ATC have always made me wait for a landing aircraft on the other runway, before releasing me. Am I just lucky or do ATC normally allow aircraft to land and take-off on both runways without concern for separation?
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slizer
In normal segregated operations there is no requirement for ATC to wait for one aircraft to land before clearing another for take off.
Dependent operations, however, which do require the arrival to be either more than 2 miles from touchdown or landed, prior to rolling the departure are used when the standard missed approach cannot be flown for whatever reason, or an ILS approach is not flown or other less common reasons I will not go into here.
j17
You're almost right, its KPHL - Philadelphia.
In normal segregated operations there is no requirement for ATC to wait for one aircraft to land before clearing another for take off.
Dependent operations, however, which do require the arrival to be either more than 2 miles from touchdown or landed, prior to rolling the departure are used when the standard missed approach cannot be flown for whatever reason, or an ILS approach is not flown or other less common reasons I will not go into here.
j17
You're almost right, its KPHL - Philadelphia.
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It's not the procedures that worry me, it's the proximity of aircraft holding for 24L to the active landing runway 24R. The fact that other airports are the same doesn't change the risk. If "Gerona" happened at Manchester during a peak period the fire services wouldn't have known where to start.
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sky9
Everything in life has an element of risk in it. What you describe has been investigated by the highest authorities responsible for airport safety and has been deemed safe.
If all airports had to be designed to allow an aircraft to safely leave the runway out of control after landing they would be 2 miles square, made entirely of concrete and have a terminal building a 10 minute taxy away! Not very practical.
slizer
You're welcome.
Everything in life has an element of risk in it. What you describe has been investigated by the highest authorities responsible for airport safety and has been deemed safe.
If all airports had to be designed to allow an aircraft to safely leave the runway out of control after landing they would be 2 miles square, made entirely of concrete and have a terminal building a 10 minute taxy away! Not very practical.
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You're welcome.
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Sky 9
You obviously lead a sheltered, risk-averse life.
Without being pedantic, rwy ops at Manchester meet ICAO requirements and have been deemed sufficient by the authorities in this country.
Without dismissing the Gerona accident, there are so many variables that can create, exacerbate, but also diminish risk, that one should not make blanket statements about the safety of one particular operation.
Consider the safety-gains involved. Rwy 2 prevents mixed-mode traffic on a single rwy...now where have we recently seen a near-disaster as a result of THAT mode of operation...???
There's more in the spectrum than simply B & W.
SW
You obviously lead a sheltered, risk-averse life.
Without being pedantic, rwy ops at Manchester meet ICAO requirements and have been deemed sufficient by the authorities in this country.
Without dismissing the Gerona accident, there are so many variables that can create, exacerbate, but also diminish risk, that one should not make blanket statements about the safety of one particular operation.
Consider the safety-gains involved. Rwy 2 prevents mixed-mode traffic on a single rwy...now where have we recently seen a near-disaster as a result of THAT mode of operation...???
There's more in the spectrum than simply B & W.
SW
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Of course EGCC meets ICAO standards, that’s why it was approved; however that doesn't necessarily mean that it is very wise.
A two runway configuration that involves aircraft holding close to active landing runways especially when there are three holding points, (increasing the risk by a multiple of 3) on the north of 24R and a huge holding area to the south cannot be considered very wise.
Interestingly I understand that there has been no risk analysis of the layout just acceptance of ICAO criteria.
Finally as the guy at the sharp end I try to be risk averse; is that a crime, or are we in a different industry to the one that I joined?
A two runway configuration that involves aircraft holding close to active landing runways especially when there are three holding points, (increasing the risk by a multiple of 3) on the north of 24R and a huge holding area to the south cannot be considered very wise.
Interestingly I understand that there has been no risk analysis of the layout just acceptance of ICAO criteria.
Finally as the guy at the sharp end I try to be risk averse; is that a crime, or are we in a different industry to the one that I joined?
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Oh please, you can not be serious sky9
By the way, I'm typing this with my keybaord cover on...just in case the plastic keys make me break a nail..not really a risk, but you never know.
Your comments sound more like a Mobberley resident or a journo scratching for a very cheap story.
Let's drop the silly comments about the runway layout and get back to what this thread was created for.
It does annoy me when I read comments from that very small minority of pilots who think they are God's gift to every other profession in aviation, from baggage handler to airfield architect to ATCO.
By the way, I'm typing this with my keybaord cover on...just in case the plastic keys make me break a nail..not really a risk, but you never know.
Your comments sound more like a Mobberley resident or a journo scratching for a very cheap story.
Let's drop the silly comments about the runway layout and get back to what this thread was created for.
It does annoy me when I read comments from that very small minority of pilots who think they are God's gift to every other profession in aviation, from baggage handler to airfield architect to ATCO.
