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Stop The Law Project To Let Pilot Work Until 65 Years Old

Old 8th Jan 2006, 18:54
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Re: Stop The Law Project To Let Pilot Work Until 65 Years Old

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This is a professtion, not a charitable act. We do our jobs to earn a living and it is up to each of us to assess our own circumstances and decide when we want to hang it up. I sincerely hope to be in a position to quit when I'm 60, but that will have more to do with the world economy than with me.


Absolutely spot on !
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 19:04
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Re: Stop The Law Project To Let Pilot Work Until 65 Years Old

Well, the young chap who started this thread is not getting much support.

I am not going to give him any either. I retire in two months time at 65 and I am still in the left seat and still managed an above the average rating on my last base check.

Indeed, my company has asked me to continue in the sim after I retire.

Your turn will come, son!
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 19:13
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Re: Stop The Law Project To Let Pilot Work Until 65 Years Old

No hobbies in life old chaps? and too old to start new ones I guess... too sad...

People should think for the benefit of the job, not their own selfish little interest (forgot how they entered the job, forgot how they became cpt,...)
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 19:18
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Re: Stop The Law Project To Let Pilot Work Until 65 Years Old

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That is utter rubbish, why should I give up 5ish years flying so that a newbe gets 5 years more flying?

Do Doctors, Accountants, Lawyers, Politicians and any other profession have forced retirement ages purley to allow younger chaps a chance, of course they don't, it is a quite ridiculous notion? vbmenu_register("postmenu_2310311", true);
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 19:22
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Ahhhh! Everyone is looking at their own belly button.
If you're a captain , you want to fly til 65 or 75 or ..., so you won't have to listen to your old lady back home.
If you're a newbie , you want the 60 age rule so you can get in or get promoted quickly.
So , let's cut the hipocrisy and say what we really want, $$$.
For me, I am confortable with my situation. Hopefully, I'll become captain this year and will have plenty of time to figure out the transition to my reform. Actually, there's plenty of other stuff not related with flying that I like to do. So I'm working on it.

No stress....

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Old 8th Jan 2006, 19:26
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Because your "lifecontract" was made for 60 and the guys that are starting are confronting a much worse "lifecontract": the job isn't the job it was 10 years ago! They are worse off then we were when we started, that's why:give them as much chances as you have had when you started. Fair!
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 19:47
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I suggest that Angelopinto puts himself in the position of being nearly 60, a senior captain, and trying to extend the retirement age in his country to bring it into line with others, and being blocked by selfish and shortsighted junior First Officers.
For what it's worth my career ended at age 55 because of this scenario.
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 19:49
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I get off my rest after 6 or 7 hours into a longhaul flight and most (not all) of the over 60's are asleep or having trouble staying awake. Most are there for the ride and not on top of the technical stuff because they know they are not going anywhere. Some of the performances I've seen from older pilots has been appalling and I ask myself how they're passing their checks. Unfortunately many delude themselves that the're onto it and a couple have told me that they have so much experience that it has to be shared. This is what I call the indispensible syndrome. Many like to tell the new guys "did you know I used to be a check captain" or something similar. I'm sure a couple are in the early stages of senility but tell me how a doctor diagnoses that in a 20 minute medical.
There needs to be a set retirement age and that's it for everyone.
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 19:52
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Re: Stop The Law Project To Let Pilot Work Until 65 Years Old

Yup! How about 65?
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 21:02
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Re: Stop The Law Project To Let Pilot Work Until 65 Years Old

Originally Posted by Dani
I'm 40 years old and I am actively planning my financial future. I have to find a way to retire at 60, because there is no other way. You have to base your planning on given facts, you can't hope on future luck.
I agree that a lot of guys stay in good health with 60, but I know at least as much pilots who really are burnt out, not at their top anymore.
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Dani, I can't agree enough. I am in the same situation agewise and have been waiting for a left seat for 12 years now. The situation where we are is changing to 63 and then 65 soon after. Now we are going to have to wait at least 5 possibly 8 more years!
How many new cars, new houses, new wives, and more bucks do we need to retire? When we all started, we all knew that we had to retire early and everyone should have made provision for that from the start. We all knew what we were getting ourselves into when we started. Flying is a thing done out of love. It was never meant to make money - if planned properly, money would be a by-product. If anyone wanted to make money, they should have chosen another profession!
By the way, there are plenty of "experienced" left seaters that I fly with regularly and admire them greatly for their operation, but in the same breath, some should have been retired by age 40 if today is anything to go by!
As long as we don't lose sight of why we do this wonderful thing, if its for cash its time to retire anyway!
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 21:21
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Wind up. wind up! Angelopinto is just a wind up!
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 21:31
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Picture this:
you get out of your rest well into a 12/13 hr flight and in the RHS is an elderly man head tilted over virtually unconscious (some would argue incapacitated) dribbling out of the corner of his mouth as a new S/O is trying to dodge the CBs. Funny? Not to me, I see it every now and then. Is that the way you want to be remembered?
Occasionally I run into an S/O I flew with recently and we have a laugh about an F/O we did a flight with that was completely incompetent. It's not really that funny because it was and is a pathetic case.
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 22:05
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JW411
<<I am not going to give him any either.>>

Aaaaa - that's not what you said to me at Benson a couple of years ago
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Old 8th Jan 2006, 22:09
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Re: Stop The Law Project To Let Pilot Work Until 65 Years Old

I'd be happy to retire at 55 or 60 and let someone younger get a job so long as they agree to pay for my retirement, its only fair since my taxes have paid for their health and education.
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Re: Stop The Law Project To Let Pilot Work Until 65 Years Old

Hand Flying, Dani and others. As recently as the 1970's in the UK the maximum age was 65 not 60! It was arbitrarily changed without discussion by a government minister. Many of us started our flying career expecting to work until we were 65 and then had five useful years chopped off for no good reason.
One major point that should be considered, of those eligible to continue to 65 how big a percentage do you think will actually take the option?.

Skol, saw some pretty dozy SOs and FOs during my time on long haul too!
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Old 9th Jan 2006, 00:12
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I'm only 36, have been flying professionally for nearly 6 years and have 3000 odd hours.....feels like a lifetime already! I hope I don't have to go another 25-30 years! I think a lot of people cling on as long as they can because the pay is good (you earn more in your last 10 years than the first 20) and the pension provisions are increasingly bad. Highly extrapolated pay scales and the dreaded seniority list are tools that airlines use to keep pilots in their place and stop them from "carrier hopping" (the longer you stay, the harsher it is to leave) If a pilot can pass the medicals, checks etc then there should be no age limit, he/she is doing the job just as well as before, but airlines like to retire people prematurely so they can recruit new crew on lower salary, or even B or C scales. Going off on a slight tangent I know, but the entire career would be a better place to be if all salaries were the same for a particular rank within a particular company (and set at a sensible amount for a professional job). Fantasy I know, but new recruits would get be able to pay off their training debts a lot faster, have some cash for a quality of life and older pilots would not have to go on into their 60's "making hay while the sun is still shining" in order to get a better pension.
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Old 9th Jan 2006, 00:23
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Re: Stop The Law Project To Let Pilot Work Until 65 Years Old

BlueEagle

The maximum age in the UK is 65, not 60. However, many airlines insist on either retirement or a move to the RHS because of restrictions in other countries.

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Old 9th Jan 2006, 02:47
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Persoanlly I find it outrageous that an extremely capable and highly experienced pilot can be dumped simply because of a calendar date.... we have a 20,000 hrs American ex A330 ( plus just about everything else) capt flying with us who hit the magic number and was dumped.....he's as sharp mentally as a 40 year old and physically in better shape than many pilots 10 or more years younger.... the whole thing is ludicrous.... as for young pilots trying to get on the ladder....tough....we've all been there....and when the dark brown stuff comes into contact with the big whirly thing who would you rather be sitting next to.... the 20K hr senior capt or some little joker with a 'Frozen' ATPL who's only occupying the seat because the bean counters can get away with it and the CAA let them ?
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Re: Stop The Law Project To Let Pilot Work Until 65 Years Old

Ours must be the only occupation where these wannabes like you to leave that they will have your job. Same time their are refusing the tax payments to finance your early retirement. It will obviously take them some years to realize that aviation business is not an amusement park with interesting rides.
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I've been thinking about some of the reasons I've heard from the guys over 60 as to why they stay on:

1. I've got no money. (too many bad investments, wives or toys)

2. I've got nothing else to do and I get bored on leave. (no life)

3. The old lady will divorce me if I go home permanently.

4. I've got so much experience that I'm going to stay on and become a check and training F/O. (indispensible)

5. ITS MY RIGHT!!!!

6. Some or all of the above.
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