Freighter crash ex Bergamo?

[Newgen Jock]

Heard through local people there was a freighter crash after takeoff from BGY the other night. Apparently a turboprop contracted to DHL. Have watched this and other forums/ news agencies and seen nothing anywhere. Anyone have any info or is it indeed just a "rumour"?

[Golf Charlie Charlie]

A little information here - Let 410

http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=20051030-0

[RampTramp]

Newgen,

I was a bit surprised that nothing showed up earlier. The investigation is ongoing but, from what I've heard, it was flying a very unusual departure procedure and, thank God, the crash site was in a field so no damage/injuries on the ground. So far not an inkling of cause.

[Yaw String]

The aircraft came down in a field alongside a DHL depot, about 2 kms south of runway 28 centreline with an estimated heading of between 150-180 degrees.
It appears as though it departed runway 28,developed some kind of problem and impacted having turned left through approx 100-130 degrees.
It may have been steered to avoid the DHL complex, thus saving many lives of DHL employees.
Low level power cables were hit just before impact.
No large pieces left and approx 100 metres from point of impact to last main wreckage.
I viewed the site just before dark next day,as was visiting DHL.
Very sad.

[cringe]

The crew were an experienced older captain and a younger female copilot. Captain's wife was on board as a passenger.

[His dudeness]

see also:

http://www.trade-air.com/home_en.html

[flyboy2]

WX at time of crash

ASN ACCIDENT DIGEST 2005-26

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Date: 30 OCT 2005
Time: 22:05 local time
Type: Let 410UVP-E19A
Operator: Trade Air
Registration: 9A-BTA
Msn / C/n: 912538
Year built: 1991
Engines: 2 Walter M-601E turboprop engines
Crew: 2 fatalities / 2 on board
Passengers: 1 fatalities / 1 on board
Total: 3 fatalities / 3 on board
Airplane damage: Written off
Location: near Bergamo (Italy)
Phase: Climb ?
Nature: Cargo
Departure airport: Bergamo-Orio Al Serio Airport (BGY)
Destination airport: Zagreb-Pleso Airport (ZAG)
Flight number: 729
Trade Air Flight 729 departed Bergamo Airport for a night-time cargo flight to Zagreb. The aircraft crashed and broke up soon after takeoff. Weather was poor with a limited visibility of 200-300 m due to fog.
Weather around the time of the accident (21:05 UTC) was:
LIME 302050Z 13005KT 0300 R28/0550D FG BKN001 11/10 Q1023=
LIME 302120Z 14004KT 0200 R28/0350N FG BKN001 11/10 Q1023=
(20:50 UTC: Wind 130 degrees at 5 kts, visibility 300m, runway visual range on runway 28 is 550 m decreasing in fog, 5-7 oktas cloud at 100ft, temperature 11°C dewpoint 10°C, QNH 1023hPa
21:20 UTC: Wind 140 degrees at 4 kts, visibility 200m, runway visual range on runway 28 is 350 m in fog, 5-7 oktas cloud at 100ft, temperature 11°C, dewpoint 10°C, QNH 1023hPa)
sources: ANSV, Trade Air

Condolences

[TightSlot]

As Cabin Crew, I'm slightly uncomfortable with the thought of pictures and bio's of the deceased being posted on the corporate web site as has been done on the link above: In other words, were it me, I would prefer not to be published in this way.

From curiosity - do pilots feel the same or am I being overly sensitive?

[Engineer]

TightSlot

Maybe the problem with your thoughts are that they are based on the culture and society that you were brought up in. Where as this type of display by the company is acceptable in the their society.

[N1005C]

TightSlot

I think it has to do with the culture / customs of the country where the airline is based. Also in ops you meet a lot of crew members without knowing or remembering their names but seeing their pictures, you know who were the unlucky ones.
My sympathy to their families and friends

p. s. I am a dispatcher, not a pilot

[TightSlot]

Fair point - thank you

[westhawk]

TightSlot:

I found the statement on the company website to be a relatively straightforward release of some unfortunate facts. Posting the pics and short bios appears to me to be a gesture intended to honor the memory of their departed associates. For me, the pics put a face with a name and only act to enhance my sympathy for them and theirs.

Best regards,

Westhawk

[Lou Scannon]

I appreciate Tight-slots comments as sensitivity is always required at these times, but having read the article, I am both touched and impressed.

All too often we are left in the dark with rumours and hearsay.

The Flight Operations Manager, Captain Cvijin, has set an example to the industry in informing people of the tragedy in a way that shows respect for the crew.

[VC10 Rib22]

In the aviation industry you meet so many people that it is nigh on impossible to remember all their names, but the brain has an amazing ability to remember a person's face. Therefore, as long as the families of the deceased gave their blessing, I have no problem with this. In fact I would prefer it if British companies followed suit and put a picture to the name. Doing so would allow those who had met the deceased before (whether that be working the same cockpit, passing some time in the airport or spending a layover in a hotel bar with them) time to reflect or pass on their condolences to the family.

VC10 Rib22

[Bomber Harris]

The aircraft came down in a field alongside a DHL depot, about 2 kms south of runway 28 centreline with an estimated heading of between 150-180 degrees.

Yaw String, with all due respect to both you and the accident victims, you have to be talking (or quoting) complete rubbish. If you read the post just before yours with a link to the accident weather you would see that it was foggy with 200M to 300M of visibility. The cloud was down 100 feet. It is very unlikely that the crew had more than a few seconds of visbility before contact with the ground. I don't know what happened in this accident and I won't guess at what DID happen. But I can assure you from experience that the time between visual contact and actual contact in 200m is very low even if you know what to expect to see. If you are not expecting to see anything (i.e. you are not where you thought you were), the few seconds you have to react will probably be taken up by trying to digest what it is that you are looking at through a very grey mist.

Off the topic and NOT in reference to the storey in question......I must say I do feel good when I read the "brave pilot narrowly missed school" type storey, but I know in my heart and soul the pilot is more likely to be thinkining about the safety of the aircraft in which they are flying rather than an unidentified buliding (especially if a family member is on board!). I believe in the abscence of fact, that an aircraft comes to rest at an arbitary place near where the crew loose the ability to maintain its flight path for whatever reason. Sorry if I appear cynical, it's just an opinion.

[Yaw String]

Dear Mr. Harris, a little more tolerance of other peoples opinions please, it may help in your command course.
You may well be correct in that they saw nothing until just before impact. Could have been patchy fog in immediate impact area.It may not have been an engine problem.I am not an expert in aviation accidents but have some flying experience and was just trying to post something positive in negative circumstances. Have operated many night freighter flights out of Bergamo with National in mid eighties and could imagine myself in similar circumstances.
Very appropriate post from Flight Ops. Dept., (in my opinion)
Suggest you try www.joelosteen.com

[BlueVolta]

In former Yugoslavia, it is a tradition to put the pictures of the deceased in view. You can even find death announcement with pictures on the threes or public lights in the neighbourhood of the deceased.
May be shocking at first sight, but it is the local culture; it is a mark of respect.

[Konkordski]

As Cabin Crew, I'm slightly uncomfortable with the thought of pictures and bio's of the deceased being posted on the corporate web site as has been done on the link above

TightSlot - it's not unusual for Eastern European and Russian/ex-Soviet air companies to publish photographs of a deceased crew, and a full passenger list, following an accident.

I know at least one Ukrainian company which even posted photographs of the wreckage of their aircraft after a fatal smash.

[kontrolor]

I wish not to judge, but some simmilar if not sister companies in my country, regulary land in CATII, III conditions with Turbolet. If they are trained and if their machine is properly equiped - I can't tell, since I have no info, but just best judgment, which is of course not enough.

[jettesen]

I really don't see what your problem is tightslot - U say you are from the uk, and how often do you see pictures of murdered victime in the newspapers,. Once the relatives have been informed, it is common practice to publicise the pictures.