CAA/ Dept of Trade and Industry give Euro jobs to the USA again
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Whilst the opinion of the Finish council on maters of intra community air routes is a fascinating first topic to come up on google I suggest people just accept TGs word for it.
Has anyone got access to the CAA official record. Notably 1695, 1697 and 1700?
Has anyone got access to the CAA official record. Notably 1695, 1697 and 1700?
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Whilst DaySleeper has uncovered a little on the Finnish perspective.........
they are not alone in thinking along these lines:
More to chew on chaps.
TG
http://europa.eu.int/comm/transport/air/rules/doc/consultation_3_package/contributions/finland-civilaviationauthority.pdf
Excerpt: 12 June 2003
VIEWS OF THE FINNISH CIVIL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION on the Commissions consultation paper on the revision of the regulations (EEC) no 2407/92, 2408/92 and 2409/92 of 23 July 1992, forming the third air transport package.................. As it is uncertain how the new EU Member States will manage to fulfil their safety oversight obligations, we stress that full liberalisation of air transport must be connected to flight safety safeguards. In any case the possibility to use a flag of convenience should be prevented.
VIEWS OF THE FINNISH CIVIL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION on the Commissions consultation paper on the revision of the regulations (EEC) no 2407/92, 2408/92 and 2409/92 of 23 July 1992, forming the third air transport package.................. As it is uncertain how the new EU Member States will manage to fulfil their safety oversight obligations, we stress that full liberalisation of air transport must be connected to flight safety safeguards. In any case the possibility to use a flag of convenience should be prevented.
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The data stats above are not entirely appropriate to use for comparison. It shows the number of applications sought and if you didn't apply for one, you wouldn't be listed even though you might well have subchartered a foreign-registered aircraft more. I find it very hard to believe that the figures for some charter operators are so low.
If this is correct, how come the EuroAtlantic L1011 and White A310 spent so much time at LGW this summer working for FlyJet (who don't even appear on the list) and other major airlines? I wouldn't base any serious argument on this list. It all depends on how diligent the airlines are at applying for the waivers, and there is no process to ensure that they obtain a waiver for any instance of using a foreign-registered aircraft.
Playing Devil's advocate, it also doesn't show how many sub-outs for other European airlines that UK airlines have undertaken this summer. In the case of Titan Airways alone, I suspect it's a fair few. If we are moaning about "flagging out", then it would be unfair to forget this section of UK industry which seems to do quite well out of the ability to "flag out" in other countries. It does cut both ways.
If this is correct, how come the EuroAtlantic L1011 and White A310 spent so much time at LGW this summer working for FlyJet (who don't even appear on the list) and other major airlines? I wouldn't base any serious argument on this list. It all depends on how diligent the airlines are at applying for the waivers, and there is no process to ensure that they obtain a waiver for any instance of using a foreign-registered aircraft.
Playing Devil's advocate, it also doesn't show how many sub-outs for other European airlines that UK airlines have undertaken this summer. In the case of Titan Airways alone, I suspect it's a fair few. If we are moaning about "flagging out", then it would be unfair to forget this section of UK industry which seems to do quite well out of the ability to "flag out" in other countries. It does cut both ways.
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Comments please chaps: The point I was trying to make was that the UK CAA published this application on their website on the 13th Sep 2005. This was brought to notice by a fellow Pilot who then mass emailed every UK/JAA worker he/she knew.
So why then did only Two individuals post a complaint !!!
We had our chance to omit this US Reg A/C from operating in the UK but the majority of persons failed to lodge their complaint. So this A/C will operate for another 6 months - Our next opportunity to lodge complaint will be before the 6th Mar 06 - Email to "Shepherd Frances" <[email protected]> your objection. Please feel free to bombard the above with your feelings either + or - . The more that this subject is brought to the UK CAA attention the sooner we can stamp out foreign Reg aircraft operating from our shores and save Euro jobs.
So why then did only Two individuals post a complaint !!!
We had our chance to omit this US Reg A/C from operating in the UK but the majority of persons failed to lodge their complaint. So this A/C will operate for another 6 months - Our next opportunity to lodge complaint will be before the 6th Mar 06 - Email to "Shepherd Frances" <[email protected]> your objection. Please feel free to bombard the above with your feelings either + or - . The more that this subject is brought to the UK CAA attention the sooner we can stamp out foreign Reg aircraft operating from our shores and save Euro jobs.
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IK - Thanks for the info - Msrs "Shepherd Frances" <[email protected]> will have my objection ASP.
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EuroAtlantic L1011
The point is non EU aircraft operating internal EU routes without reciprical rights being granted for EU aircraft in their home country
The L1011 has every right to be in Gatwick - but if it is operating on behalf of a UK airline, the UK airline still has to obtain what's known as an Article 8.1 waiver from the DfT. The figures presented are not simply about non-EU registered aircraft; if that was the case, why on earth would Eastern Airways' application to lease a German Dornier 328 have been published in this week's Official Record?
