Judas Balpa CC at EZY!
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Judas Balpa CC at EZY!
It is not often that I am speechless, but I have just come off the 'phone from talking to a very old friend at New Road who confirmed the rumor which I heard earlier this week and I am completely astonished and angry and, and........... GRRRR!
The rumor doing the rounds is that a member of the EZY Balpa CC was recently interviewed for a Pilot Manager's job at the company. Not only that, his interview was conducted "in secret" so that nobody else got to know about it! WELL! How do you like that?! Apparantly New Road have known all about this for some weeks and have done nothing even though this turncoat is privvy to plenty of sensitive Balpa information.
I for one will not stand for it and will now be resigning from Balpa - just who do they think they are?! While those of us poor shmucks slog our guts out on the 5/2/5/4 lousy deal which THEY signed us up to, they busy themselves by trying to join "the management"! Is it any wonder we were sold down the river? I think not!
I have never been so infuriated in my life, nor so betrayed, nor so shat upon!! I thought I had been dicked around by experts enough in a former life, but this?! I cannot find enough words without swearing to describe my feelings on this. Talk about loyalty - BASTARDS!!
The rumor doing the rounds is that a member of the EZY Balpa CC was recently interviewed for a Pilot Manager's job at the company. Not only that, his interview was conducted "in secret" so that nobody else got to know about it! WELL! How do you like that?! Apparantly New Road have known all about this for some weeks and have done nothing even though this turncoat is privvy to plenty of sensitive Balpa information.
I for one will not stand for it and will now be resigning from Balpa - just who do they think they are?! While those of us poor shmucks slog our guts out on the 5/2/5/4 lousy deal which THEY signed us up to, they busy themselves by trying to join "the management"! Is it any wonder we were sold down the river? I think not!
I have never been so infuriated in my life, nor so betrayed, nor so shat upon!! I thought I had been dicked around by experts enough in a former life, but this?! I cannot find enough words without swearing to describe my feelings on this. Talk about loyalty - BASTARDS!!
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Nothing at all strange that they should offer a management job to one of the CC. It might even improve things.
Another advantage is that it will create a vacancy on the CC that you will be able to apply for as you obviously know what needs to be changed around the company.
All the best with your election!
Another advantage is that it will create a vacancy on the CC that you will be able to apply for as you obviously know what needs to be changed around the company.
All the best with your election!
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Are we talking about the recent Liverpool Base Captain`s vacancy, or are we talking about past PC members who have been made trainers. Maybe we`re talking about the alledged offer of share options to those who were not entitled. Sadly, these " back-handers" seem to be a way of life in easyJet.
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In the true and long established traditions of these hallowed fora.......never, ever let the facts get in the way of a good story!
If you're that concerned about something why not contact your CC, or even the person accused of the 'crime'?
..................nah........that would be too easy!
..and before anyone asks......no it wasn't!
If you're that concerned about something why not contact your CC, or even the person accused of the 'crime'?
..................nah........that would be too easy!
..and before anyone asks......no it wasn't!
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GoodShipLollipop:
I am led to believe from pilot contacts in easy that your "facts" are correct. And it was the LPL Base Captains job he was after. Also thought he would become a trainer, along with most other base captains at easy, which may have been at the top of his agenda. No other way he would be considered, thats for sure. I am also told that ex CC members are livid, and have asked the CC Chairman for action. None was forthcoming, which has increased concerns over the current CC's mentality.
FlapsOne:
Time you gave it away old son. it's obviously getting to you. Not everything is defensible.
stationcalling:
The "alleged share options to those who were not entitled" was settled out of court a while ago. Those who were "not entitiled", recieved cash settlements from the company at the last moment, before court proceedings. They will not be talking about it. Always in these kind of settlements there will be a confidentiality clause. And, "the past CC members who were made trainers", were actually trainers before there was ever a Balpa CC at easy. In one case before he was ever a Balpa member. Your post is inaccurate and insulting.
You are not the gentleman that GoodShipLollipop refers to by any chance are you ?.
I am led to believe from pilot contacts in easy that your "facts" are correct. And it was the LPL Base Captains job he was after. Also thought he would become a trainer, along with most other base captains at easy, which may have been at the top of his agenda. No other way he would be considered, thats for sure. I am also told that ex CC members are livid, and have asked the CC Chairman for action. None was forthcoming, which has increased concerns over the current CC's mentality.
FlapsOne:
Time you gave it away old son. it's obviously getting to you. Not everything is defensible.
stationcalling:
The "alleged share options to those who were not entitled" was settled out of court a while ago. Those who were "not entitiled", recieved cash settlements from the company at the last moment, before court proceedings. They will not be talking about it. Always in these kind of settlements there will be a confidentiality clause. And, "the past CC members who were made trainers", were actually trainers before there was ever a Balpa CC at easy. In one case before he was ever a Balpa member. Your post is inaccurate and insulting.
You are not the gentleman that GoodShipLollipop refers to by any chance are you ?.
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Poacher turned gamekeeper; nothing unusual in that. Way back in the late 70's the BY BALPA PLC chairman entered management and became, eventually, what some regarded as a decent deputy M.D.
What might/should be of more concern is the nature of the appointment. I thought that ej was supposed to be an "open & transparent" culture with career prospects for all. (Has my cynicism just be confirmed, correctly, once again.) In most companies, of whatever hue, it is normal for vacancies to be internally advertised, interviews and selections conducted, and then the best candidate for the post, if available, appointed. This would follow the prophessed philosophy of ej, and good management technique in any industry. A differing case is often for the head honcho, e.g. chairman, to be an outside person with fresh ideas.
So why was there no advert this time? Why the secrecy? Who had what to hide? What is the hidden agenda?
This to me is more important than a CC member simply wanting to better his lot; but at least do it fairly & openly.
Another question completely. Why oh why, in UK airlines especially, do management pilots need to be trainers? It's nonsense. I've seen it so many times that pilots wanted to rise to be managers, for a variety of reasons, usually selfish. First they had to be appointed trainers; and disasterous ones they proved to be. A good natural trainer has no desire to muddle around in the political world of management. He wants to pass on words of wisdom to the troops. A person who wants to be a ladder climbing manager has no interest in instruction, rather being in power; and that attiutude is dreadful in a teacher. They are completely different animals. So why should the former need to pass through the hoop of the latter? Wierd!
What might/should be of more concern is the nature of the appointment. I thought that ej was supposed to be an "open & transparent" culture with career prospects for all. (Has my cynicism just be confirmed, correctly, once again.) In most companies, of whatever hue, it is normal for vacancies to be internally advertised, interviews and selections conducted, and then the best candidate for the post, if available, appointed. This would follow the prophessed philosophy of ej, and good management technique in any industry. A differing case is often for the head honcho, e.g. chairman, to be an outside person with fresh ideas.
So why was there no advert this time? Why the secrecy? Who had what to hide? What is the hidden agenda?
This to me is more important than a CC member simply wanting to better his lot; but at least do it fairly & openly.
Another question completely. Why oh why, in UK airlines especially, do management pilots need to be trainers? It's nonsense. I've seen it so many times that pilots wanted to rise to be managers, for a variety of reasons, usually selfish. First they had to be appointed trainers; and disasterous ones they proved to be. A good natural trainer has no desire to muddle around in the political world of management. He wants to pass on words of wisdom to the troops. A person who wants to be a ladder climbing manager has no interest in instruction, rather being in power; and that attiutude is dreadful in a teacher. They are completely different animals. So why should the former need to pass through the hoop of the latter? Wierd!
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RAT 5 Yes indeed he did ( DH ) You cannot blame Balpa for that individual joining Management. Afterall he may be just what EZY needs.
Sounds like a lame excuse for someone trying to justify saving 1%
When will Pilots stop blaming Balpa. They are only as good as the Members in each company. They may be the Generals but they need Troops to fight and that is what is sadly lacking when needed.
Sounds like a lame excuse for someone trying to justify saving 1%
When will Pilots stop blaming Balpa. They are only as good as the Members in each company. They may be the Generals but they need Troops to fight and that is what is sadly lacking when needed.
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Nothing unusual in a CC member becoming management.
Same happened at GB, Ex CC member now the new Flight Operations Manager having first tried his luck as Flight Safety Manager. Did a good job on the CC so good luck to him.
Sorry goodship, can't see what the problem is
Same happened at GB, Ex CC member now the new Flight Operations Manager having first tried his luck as Flight Safety Manager. Did a good job on the CC so good luck to him.
Sorry goodship, can't see what the problem is
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thegypsy, I don't buy that arguement; plenty of troops in WW1, but led a merry dance by appalling generals/leadership.
At the moment, whether right or wrong, the impression is that the CC pushed a controversial agreement through with threats and sometimes bullying tactics that left many scratching their heads and asking themselves to whose benefit was the deal for? The pilots or the company?
Because if the benefit was for me, the pilot, I don't see it, both in terms of my new roster and how my leave has been stuffed around. But I see plenty of benefit for the company, both in terms of my new roster and how my leave has been stuffed around with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So if there is an element of doubt raised by the actions of the CC then of course those who feel hard done by regarging the new deal will naturally ask questions about the real motives of those involved.
At the moment, whether right or wrong, the impression is that the CC pushed a controversial agreement through with threats and sometimes bullying tactics that left many scratching their heads and asking themselves to whose benefit was the deal for? The pilots or the company?
Because if the benefit was for me, the pilot, I don't see it, both in terms of my new roster and how my leave has been stuffed around. But I see plenty of benefit for the company, both in terms of my new roster and how my leave has been stuffed around with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So if there is an element of doubt raised by the actions of the CC then of course those who feel hard done by regarging the new deal will naturally ask questions about the real motives of those involved.
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I think the point is, in this case, the "interview process". The gentleman in question requested that the interview took place outside the easyjet enviroment, away from the LPL office, in secrecy. This request was accepted.
The gentleman concerned also failed to advise the CC or its chairman of his intent. While I agree that it is anybodys right to pursue a management position, probably he should have at least advised the CC chairman, and disqualified himself from CC meetings during the process.
By going this route, and getting the company to agree, he has left his integrity open to question, when purporting to represent pilots. Especially if you take a quick look at his original manifesto when first standing for CC election.
You don't have to be Einstein to work out that when things get tough in future negotiations, given that his application was unsuccesful, that he will be the target of " a nod and a wink", from those on the other side of the table. "New management position coming up N....., we need to get this through" etc etc.
Well done GoodShipLollipop for "outing him". I hope many will take notice with his candidacy for re-election in the near future.
It is not only the pilots in easy who have benefited from the success in the past of the pilots CC. the "knock on" effect has helped many of us in the Orange Castle as well.
The gentleman concerned also failed to advise the CC or its chairman of his intent. While I agree that it is anybodys right to pursue a management position, probably he should have at least advised the CC chairman, and disqualified himself from CC meetings during the process.
By going this route, and getting the company to agree, he has left his integrity open to question, when purporting to represent pilots. Especially if you take a quick look at his original manifesto when first standing for CC election.
You don't have to be Einstein to work out that when things get tough in future negotiations, given that his application was unsuccesful, that he will be the target of " a nod and a wink", from those on the other side of the table. "New management position coming up N....., we need to get this through" etc etc.
Well done GoodShipLollipop for "outing him". I hope many will take notice with his candidacy for re-election in the near future.
It is not only the pilots in easy who have benefited from the success in the past of the pilots CC. the "knock on" effect has helped many of us in the Orange Castle as well.
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I was already on the doubt of resigning from BALPA as I got very anoyed by the fact that they keep stating that to get things through they need more members but nothing is done to recruit them, especially not around the continental bases!
WAKE UP easy is going continental!
I was gonna wait and see till after the next pay talks but this latest situation has convinced me to resign.
Have we lost our priorities?
WAKE UP easy is going continental!
I was gonna wait and see till after the next pay talks but this latest situation has convinced me to resign.
Have we lost our priorities?
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This is old old hat. Happened ages ago. CC chairman did act. Nothing to it. All back to normal.
Some people just look for wild reasons to resign from BALPA, and not to support their peers in fighting management.
Some people just look for wild reasons to resign from BALPA, and not to support their peers in fighting management.
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outofsynch,
Having stated 2/3 times before that maybe not even 5% of the pilots based on the continent are BALPA members, still nothing is being done to improve this. Having operated around almost all continental bases I can say that the majority of our german/foreign collegues don't even know about BALPA!!
This is not just a wild reason to resign and views of how such an organisation is supposed to run are different and personal.
If BALPA were to introduce a "first year free" subscription we stood a good chance during the upcoming talks.
I have my reasons to leave your have yours to stay, we're still in the same boat.
Having stated 2/3 times before that maybe not even 5% of the pilots based on the continent are BALPA members, still nothing is being done to improve this. Having operated around almost all continental bases I can say that the majority of our german/foreign collegues don't even know about BALPA!!
This is not just a wild reason to resign and views of how such an organisation is supposed to run are different and personal.
If BALPA were to introduce a "first year free" subscription we stood a good chance during the upcoming talks.
I have my reasons to leave your have yours to stay, we're still in the same boat.
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Well Basic T you are showing not only your incredible lack of knowledge, but also your extreme bias...
Because on June 23, 3 or 4 BALPA reps spent the whole day in the SXF crewroom chatting to the local pilots, many who showed substantial interest in joining!
Can you expalin that as 'doing nothing'?
What have YOU done to recruit people?
Balpa is nothing, but a group of PILOTS (yes you, me and others) who joined to support each other. Why dont you do your bit, instead of standing against your colleagues?
Your CC, NEC and Balpa staff are currently working on plans to affiliate with VC and SNPL etc to allow overseas pilots to join either union, but still be represented by the BALPA CC in negotiations.
Is this aslo 'doing nothing'?
Because on June 23, 3 or 4 BALPA reps spent the whole day in the SXF crewroom chatting to the local pilots, many who showed substantial interest in joining!
Can you expalin that as 'doing nothing'?
What have YOU done to recruit people?
Balpa is nothing, but a group of PILOTS (yes you, me and others) who joined to support each other. Why dont you do your bit, instead of standing against your colleagues?
Your CC, NEC and Balpa staff are currently working on plans to affiliate with VC and SNPL etc to allow overseas pilots to join either union, but still be represented by the BALPA CC in negotiations.
Is this aslo 'doing nothing'?
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Outofsynch,
I have to correct myself, apologies, I wasn't aware of the fact that they recently have been visiting SXF, have been on leave. This is good news!
As you might have noticed I have posted my concern before on this board and then again nothing was done.
So far my part of lack of knowledge....
My input?? I have been asking for folders / posters to be sent over to the base, I always try to talk with new joiners about BALPA and have been keeping my colleagues up to date.
I have never been standing against my colleagues in 4 years of easy.
All the best
I have to correct myself, apologies, I wasn't aware of the fact that they recently have been visiting SXF, have been on leave. This is good news!
As you might have noticed I have posted my concern before on this board and then again nothing was done.
So far my part of lack of knowledge....
My input?? I have been asking for folders / posters to be sent over to the base, I always try to talk with new joiners about BALPA and have been keeping my colleagues up to date.
I have never been standing against my colleagues in 4 years of easy.
All the best
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Quickly to Bacis Tīs defense:
Why are we (the members) supposed to recruit other members? Isnīt that BALPAīs job? Canīt they spend some our contributions on recruiting members on the mainland?
Donīt get me wrong, I always try to persuade the guy/gal next to me to join BALPA, but I donīt really have a strong case without any backup/support from BALPA itself.
Furthermore, I think that this whole story wonīt help BALPA much either. It just fuels the already negative feelings against BALPA, making it even more difficult for me to convince anyone to join.
For the moment I just stay member for the īlegal protectionī (for whatever thatīs worth
) but I donīt expect any improvement in our terms and conditions.
What have YOU done to recruit people?
Donīt get me wrong, I always try to persuade the guy/gal next to me to join BALPA, but I donīt really have a strong case without any backup/support from BALPA itself.
Furthermore, I think that this whole story wonīt help BALPA much either. It just fuels the already negative feelings against BALPA, making it even more difficult for me to convince anyone to join.
For the moment I just stay member for the īlegal protectionī (for whatever thatīs worth
) but I donīt expect any improvement in our terms and conditions.
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But Bokkie...
Who is BALPA?
Balpa is only a bunch of line pilots.... who hire a few fulltime staff to assist them in their endeavours.
We are BALPA.. a bunch of line pilots like me and you. There is no magic mammoth organisation to recruit pilots. And if there was, then the subs would be well over 1%.
BALPA staff didnt get the majority of BA or Virgin pilots to join... fellow pilots did.
If members cant be bothered recruiting, then there wont be any.
Who is BALPA?
Balpa is only a bunch of line pilots.... who hire a few fulltime staff to assist them in their endeavours.
We are BALPA.. a bunch of line pilots like me and you. There is no magic mammoth organisation to recruit pilots. And if there was, then the subs would be well over 1%.
BALPA staff didnt get the majority of BA or Virgin pilots to join... fellow pilots did.
If members cant be bothered recruiting, then there wont be any.