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Well, that would answer that question. British soccer skinhead hooligans can use the computer.
Canada has more commercial pilots per capita than just about any other country in the world. Thus you have a ready supply of willing, highly skilled and very motivated pilots will to give their left nut (and $30k) to work on a jet. With 3000 hours I understand that you are considered a high time pilot in your neck of the woods. Around here you are considered a green horn, worthy of maybe a Navajo or if lucky a PC12. For this reason, pilots with 8000 hours plus who are still driving B1900D around the north sometimes go off shore and take positions from persons such as yourself. Is this why you are so anti Canadian? When I fly around the north, I hear different accents all day from pilots who are working here, that are citizens of another country. But I don’t get offended by this. It’s just another person trying to do the best they can for their family. This is maybe the reason why my country has a reputation for tolerance and acceptance, of which I am proud to be a part.
And just to get your goat, I have submitted my application to BA earlier.
Well, that would answer that question. British soccer skinhead hooligans can use the computer.
Canada has more commercial pilots per capita than just about any other country in the world. Thus you have a ready supply of willing, highly skilled and very motivated pilots will to give their left nut (and $30k) to work on a jet. With 3000 hours I understand that you are considered a high time pilot in your neck of the woods. Around here you are considered a green horn, worthy of maybe a Navajo or if lucky a PC12. For this reason, pilots with 8000 hours plus who are still driving B1900D around the north sometimes go off shore and take positions from persons such as yourself. Is this why you are so anti Canadian? When I fly around the north, I hear different accents all day from pilots who are working here, that are citizens of another country. But I don’t get offended by this. It’s just another person trying to do the best they can for their family. This is maybe the reason why my country has a reputation for tolerance and acceptance, of which I am proud to be a part.
And just to get your goat, I have submitted my application to BA earlier.
You really do read a load of twaddle on this board don't you? And from supposedly "educated" individuals from over the water.
Dash 8, 1200+TT, West Canada.
I'm looking forward to a nice shiny jet job in the UK (UK passport through parents) - pointers appreciated chaps!
And I prefer the 757...
Dash 8, 1200+TT, West Canada.
I'm looking forward to a nice shiny jet job in the UK (UK passport through parents) - pointers appreciated chaps!
And I prefer the 757...
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There is / was only 1 Mytravel demoted Captain flying in Canada for Skyservice.
That Captain was given the chance to go to Canada and keep his command only due to operational requirements ( Mytravel have pi**ed off so many of their pilots they did not have enough volunteers to go!).
You can't blame the Captain concerned, he had the chance to keep his command for a further 6 months rather than be demoted to First Officer if he had stayed in the UK.
Upon return to the UK the Captain Concerned will be demoted to First Officer.
Skyservice Crews come to the UK each summer based on a reciprocal arrangement that sees Mytravel crews go to Canada for the winter.
SkyService Crews coming to fly in the UK this summer are not doing the full UK ATPL exams as the are being issued a Foreign Licence Validation having completed a CAA Air law exam.
Mytravel crews have had to do the full Canadian ATPL exams and now have Canadian ATPL licences - not Foreign Licence Validations.
This reciprocal agreement has been fine in the past, however it is now unacceptable that Canadian Skyservice Captains will be flying in the UK this year ,when the are still Mytravel Captains who have been forcefully demoted to First Officers .
This is because of the penny pinching Mytravel Management who quite obviously don't give a toss about their pilot work force and are more concerned about their own positions and Bonuses.
After all, it was the total mismanagement of Mytravel that saw these Captains demoted and countless First Officers made redundant as the Company tittered on the verge of bankruptcy, yet the directors who put the company in this position walked away with Millions £ in payoffs - outrageous!
The Mytravel Demoted Captains should all be re-promoted before ANY Canadian Skyservice Captain flies for Mytravel.
If this is does not happen a precedent could be set that will see now more new commands at Mytravel as the company will just take on Contract Pilot Captains when it needs them rather than promote any more First Officers.
Mytravel Management would have all the demoted Captains Flying as First Officers in the UK if it were not for BALPA'S intervention.
That Captain was given the chance to go to Canada and keep his command only due to operational requirements ( Mytravel have pi**ed off so many of their pilots they did not have enough volunteers to go!).
You can't blame the Captain concerned, he had the chance to keep his command for a further 6 months rather than be demoted to First Officer if he had stayed in the UK.
Upon return to the UK the Captain Concerned will be demoted to First Officer.
Skyservice Crews come to the UK each summer based on a reciprocal arrangement that sees Mytravel crews go to Canada for the winter.
SkyService Crews coming to fly in the UK this summer are not doing the full UK ATPL exams as the are being issued a Foreign Licence Validation having completed a CAA Air law exam.
Mytravel crews have had to do the full Canadian ATPL exams and now have Canadian ATPL licences - not Foreign Licence Validations.
This reciprocal agreement has been fine in the past, however it is now unacceptable that Canadian Skyservice Captains will be flying in the UK this year ,when the are still Mytravel Captains who have been forcefully demoted to First Officers .
This is because of the penny pinching Mytravel Management who quite obviously don't give a toss about their pilot work force and are more concerned about their own positions and Bonuses.
After all, it was the total mismanagement of Mytravel that saw these Captains demoted and countless First Officers made redundant as the Company tittered on the verge of bankruptcy, yet the directors who put the company in this position walked away with Millions £ in payoffs - outrageous!
The Mytravel Demoted Captains should all be re-promoted before ANY Canadian Skyservice Captain flies for Mytravel.
If this is does not happen a precedent could be set that will see now more new commands at Mytravel as the company will just take on Contract Pilot Captains when it needs them rather than promote any more First Officers.
Mytravel Management would have all the demoted Captains Flying as First Officers in the UK if it were not for BALPA'S intervention.
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After all, it was the total mismanagement of Mytravel that saw these Captains demoted and countless First Officers made redundant
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Engineer,
you missed the point!
considering that now Mytravel is no longer on the verge of bankruptcy (as it is now owned by the banks) the demoted Captians should be re-promoted before contract pilots are taken on.
Mytravel should look after its own employees first.
you missed the point!
considering that now Mytravel is no longer on the verge of bankruptcy (as it is now owned by the banks) the demoted Captians should be re-promoted before contract pilots are taken on.
Mytravel should look after its own employees first.
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Word on the street is that the demoted captains will be given their commands back, but only temporarily (til the end of October). Then, who knows what will happen. Another little whisper doing the rounds (keep it to yourselves please!), is that there may be further cuts in the fleet size.
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North of somewhere, and co, I very much resent the assertion that this post is "anti Canadian". We in the UK have a great deal of time for the Canadians.
You speak of tolerance. So you're saying you would be happy to see a Canadian airline demote or lay off pilots to replace them with Brits on contract? In your dreams. You know very well that such a situation would emphatically NOT be tolerated in Canada.
You speak of tolerance. So you're saying you would be happy to see a Canadian airline demote or lay off pilots to replace them with Brits on contract? In your dreams. You know very well that such a situation would emphatically NOT be tolerated in Canada.
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The answer , as has been suggested, is for the demoted MYT Captains to keep their command over the summer, then the difficulty of a Canadian Captain flying with a demoted pilot would be avoided : and maybe then there would be another reason for them to keep their commands over the Hadj period and then.....
MYT need the Canadians this summer and we, the English, needed them at least twice in the last century.
On a personal level , they will surely receive a big welcome.
MYT need the Canadians this summer and we, the English, needed them at least twice in the last century.
On a personal level , they will surely receive a big welcome.
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Clinging to the wreckage:
I watch with sheer horror at what is happening to an airline where I spent over 11 years in the left seat boeing -bus all types. There is an urgent need to change the Dfo who has done so much damage to relations with the pilot workforce when there was always another way. He is simply following his agenda as is the brief. This is happening all over the industry from Cathay to States airlines. There has never been a better reason for a young pilot to seriously consider retraining for another career and limit the damage further. If you think it is going to be better at the national carrier or another charter org you would be wrong. I lay the blame for this at our own door. We should have become a highly organised and Chartered profession decades ago as has benefited the other professions. It is now far to late. Think - family first and get out to a fresh start. Good luck to all.
Big hugs..... Koi
I watch with sheer horror at what is happening to an airline where I spent over 11 years in the left seat boeing -bus all types. There is an urgent need to change the Dfo who has done so much damage to relations with the pilot workforce when there was always another way. He is simply following his agenda as is the brief. This is happening all over the industry from Cathay to States airlines. There has never been a better reason for a young pilot to seriously consider retraining for another career and limit the damage further. If you think it is going to be better at the national carrier or another charter org you would be wrong. I lay the blame for this at our own door. We should have become a highly organised and Chartered profession decades ago as has benefited the other professions. It is now far to late. Think - family first and get out to a fresh start. Good luck to all.
Big hugs..... Koi
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Tornado Ali:
I am curious to know why you are so bitter and twisted, as well as waiting for a response to the other legitimate questions posed of you by other members of this site.
While you're at it, as an aside, is English your first language ?
(In case anyone wondered, I have both JAA and current Canadian ATPL privileges, and the only cheapening of this line of work comes from fellows such as the Tornado, with his very large bag of "wind", and accompanying smattering of dubious "sound bites"....)
I am curious to know why you are so bitter and twisted, as well as waiting for a response to the other legitimate questions posed of you by other members of this site.
While you're at it, as an aside, is English your first language ?
(In case anyone wondered, I have both JAA and current Canadian ATPL privileges, and the only cheapening of this line of work comes from fellows such as the Tornado, with his very large bag of "wind", and accompanying smattering of dubious "sound bites"....)
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Agreed, backof thedrag -although the problem isn't that it's a "Canadian" Captain. Nationality isn't the issue. Most workers in almost every part of the world would object to seeing fellow professionals laid off or demoted when there is manifestly a need for their services.
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I do not think our Canadian colleagues have anything to worry about when they come over to the UK; as usual, they will be treated with the respect they deserve and, as usual, they will undoubtedly make the effort to fit in wherever they are. It's a management issue, and it won't affect the buying of beers.
What the company does have to worry about is the second exodus. All of the Boeing dudes will be cross-trained to the Dark Side very shortly, and surprise, surprise... it turns out to be a very nice aircraft indeed. Could use some RB211s, sure....
No bond, 500 hours on type, where are all the FOs going to go, now there is no prospect of command ? Does it matter ? Why have so many senior captains and FOs left to join other companies on a lower package ?
A shame - we have (imho) an excellent scheduling agreement, a good salary package but there are no career prospects and the little bits of silliness from management - "this is aviation, boy.... I don't care if your wife is giving birth today, you will do the Palma", personally, just shove me just over the fence to leave when I've done my time on the bus.
What the company does have to worry about is the second exodus. All of the Boeing dudes will be cross-trained to the Dark Side very shortly, and surprise, surprise... it turns out to be a very nice aircraft indeed. Could use some RB211s, sure....
No bond, 500 hours on type, where are all the FOs going to go, now there is no prospect of command ? Does it matter ? Why have so many senior captains and FOs left to join other companies on a lower package ?
A shame - we have (imho) an excellent scheduling agreement, a good salary package but there are no career prospects and the little bits of silliness from management - "this is aviation, boy.... I don't care if your wife is giving birth today, you will do the Palma", personally, just shove me just over the fence to leave when I've done my time on the bus.
