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I was recently casevaced into Glasgow from Tiree with a fractured starboard olecranon. Four days later, sporting a newly rebuilt elbow complete with titanium screws and wire, I returned to GLA to catch Loganair's Twin Otter back to the Island.
As I approached the bleeper, it suddenly ocurred to me that my new elbow might cause it some excitement, so I mentioned the fact to the security chap, who replied "no problem sir, Titanium doesn't set it off... but have you got your X-rays with you?"
I had, so he told me to pass them round the outside so they wouldn't be fogged.
Nothing but courtesy and good humour throughout - give me the Highlands and Islands every time.
Rattus
I was recently casevaced into Glasgow from Tiree with a fractured starboard olecranon. Four days later, sporting a newly rebuilt elbow complete with titanium screws and wire, I returned to GLA to catch Loganair's Twin Otter back to the Island.
As I approached the bleeper, it suddenly ocurred to me that my new elbow might cause it some excitement, so I mentioned the fact to the security chap, who replied "no problem sir, Titanium doesn't set it off... but have you got your X-rays with you?"
I had, so he told me to pass them round the outside so they wouldn't be fogged.
Nothing but courtesy and good humour throughout - give me the Highlands and Islands every time.
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ooooohhh.....
don't get me started here....!
Been flying out of Manchester for a good few years, and to this day I still have bad feelings everytime I walk through security and set the thingymajig off.....
Now...before any half-wit slams me by saying that in this day and age I should be 110% co-operative with security measures etc etc etc blah blah blah......I have not had a security officer ONCE in Manchester search me after I set off the detector actually find what set it off in the first place.
The machine bleeps...I get searched...FINE..I object to having my knackers felt by a total stranger for a start...(I haven't even bought them dinner after all!).....why OH WHY don't they use hand held metal detectors like in the U.S?
So the guy frisks me.....and pats me on my way.....EVERY time..I think...well...what set off the machine in the first place...???
Waste of time.
Apart from the fact that when I get my medical renewed I am just waved through security to get airside past a security check point by just a mere glance at what resembles a car park pass in my car window........!!
Pathetic.
don't get me started here....!
Been flying out of Manchester for a good few years, and to this day I still have bad feelings everytime I walk through security and set the thingymajig off.....
Now...before any half-wit slams me by saying that in this day and age I should be 110% co-operative with security measures etc etc etc blah blah blah......I have not had a security officer ONCE in Manchester search me after I set off the detector actually find what set it off in the first place.
The machine bleeps...I get searched...FINE..I object to having my knackers felt by a total stranger for a start...(I haven't even bought them dinner after all!).....why OH WHY don't they use hand held metal detectors like in the U.S?
So the guy frisks me.....and pats me on my way.....EVERY time..I think...well...what set off the machine in the first place...???
Waste of time.
Apart from the fact that when I get my medical renewed I am just waved through security to get airside past a security check point by just a mere glance at what resembles a car park pass in my car window........!!
Pathetic.
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Mondriver states: "Apart from the fact that when I get my medical renewed I am just waved through security to get airside past a security check point by just a mere glance at what resembles a car park pass in my car window........!!"
Why do you go airside for a medical renewal ??? Surely Not !!
Why do you go airside for a medical renewal ??? Surely Not !!
I've gently tried to point this out on another thread, but you still don't get it do you?
Now perhaps I should ask a slightly more pointed question; can any of you think of a good reason why sometimes a detector beeps when it shouldn't and sometimes it doesn't, when it should? A half eaten Mars bar to anyone who can think outside the square.
Now perhaps I should ask a slightly more pointed question; can any of you think of a good reason why sometimes a detector beeps when it shouldn't and sometimes it doesn't, when it should? A half eaten Mars bar to anyone who can think outside the square.
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I've given up more than emptying my pockets as I set off the detectors every time. But I just go through with a smile, as I watch them look at my shoes, etc. There seems to be no proactiveness amongst security staff or indeed the government, why on earth do they think the terorist scum will go for a shoe bomb next time? They won't, they'll try something else, totally different. Something that is not being checked for.
Was going to make some observations about some general airports, but thought better of it.
Personally I can deal with a pat down, however badly done, I find it harder to deal with luggage taking 1 hour from touchdown to the belts at LGW, and an Aviance bloke in a shabby shack telling me we hadn't been down an hour, and they couldn't unload whilst the plane is taxiing.
Was going to make some observations about some general airports, but thought better of it.
Personally I can deal with a pat down, however badly done, I find it harder to deal with luggage taking 1 hour from touchdown to the belts at LGW, and an Aviance bloke in a shabby shack telling me we hadn't been down an hour, and they couldn't unload whilst the plane is taxiing.
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Possibly relevant to this thread that Manchester Airport has agreed to pay a man, in an out of court settlement, £4,000 for taking two photographs of him against his wishes.
In June 2003 the man was on his way to Belfast when he was called into immigration and had two photographs taken without his permission.
Whatever next?
MP
In June 2003 the man was on his way to Belfast when he was called into immigration and had two photographs taken without his permission.
Whatever next?
MP
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About 5 years ago I became concerned about the level of security at Manchester. I often set the bells ringing when I went through the scanner and every time I asked what had set the alarm off only to be told after a body search "its probably your belt buckle". The staff started to treat me as a trouble maker and couldn't understand my concern that on an average day some 10%to 15% of the passengers on my aircraft were categorised as "belt buckle" passengers.
I made enquiries about security at Manchester from both FD and Cabin Crew of different companies and found the same story.........invasive and completely ineffective body searching of crews. Some of the stories I heard from the female staff were quite alarming with many complaining of inappropriate touching and retouching of intimate parts of their body by some questionable females.
I tried to make inquiries about the basic human rights of all of us both pax and crew with regard this invasive procedure considering none of us has committed a crime. I was very quickly told to wind my neck in by my company and told that Transec are a law unto themselves.
Maybe it is time to challenge the way security checks are carried out and to insist that the non invasive use of the "wand" should be the only initial form of screening. I had great sympathy with Diana Ross at the time as all this incident did was to prove how outrageous the current system is.
With the money being spent there is no excuse for treating innocent fare paying passengers and crew as criminals, infringing their human rights and with collusion of Transec, sexually and physically abusing them on a vast scale.
Effective security is a must, abuse is a disgrace.
AB
I made enquiries about security at Manchester from both FD and Cabin Crew of different companies and found the same story.........invasive and completely ineffective body searching of crews. Some of the stories I heard from the female staff were quite alarming with many complaining of inappropriate touching and retouching of intimate parts of their body by some questionable females.
I tried to make inquiries about the basic human rights of all of us both pax and crew with regard this invasive procedure considering none of us has committed a crime. I was very quickly told to wind my neck in by my company and told that Transec are a law unto themselves.
Maybe it is time to challenge the way security checks are carried out and to insist that the non invasive use of the "wand" should be the only initial form of screening. I had great sympathy with Diana Ross at the time as all this incident did was to prove how outrageous the current system is.
With the money being spent there is no excuse for treating innocent fare paying passengers and crew as criminals, infringing their human rights and with collusion of Transec, sexually and physically abusing them on a vast scale.
Effective security is a must, abuse is a disgrace.
AB
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Here we go again "Let's have a go at Security again " thread.
1. FMGC . Read Kestral's post because he has hit the nail on the head regard's crew.
2. HAPZAM . If you refuse to be frisked at any UK airport you will be refused flight.
3. MONDRIVER . I would say that about 70 - 80 % of Archway Metal Detector activations are caused by the metal strengtheners found in most shoes.And as for going for your medical at Manchester (I know where you mean) you are only going controlled Landside not airsde so please get your facts right before posting
Dont forget Security staff are under extreme pressure , constantly bieng watched on cameras and by the DFT.They also have people posing as passangers carrying Knifes and other weapons strapped to all parts of there bodies ( thats why the frisks are so intrusive )
As for the person who asked why people cant just be wanded well there are allsorts of weapons out there made of Kevlar and plastic that a metal detector could not find and are just as deadly as metal ones.
Just read the post about the man and his photo. He 's not happy to have his photo taken by security but he is happy for it to be pasted on the front of the Manchester Evening Post......... What a joke
1. FMGC . Read Kestral's post because he has hit the nail on the head regard's crew.
2. HAPZAM . If you refuse to be frisked at any UK airport you will be refused flight.
3. MONDRIVER . I would say that about 70 - 80 % of Archway Metal Detector activations are caused by the metal strengtheners found in most shoes.And as for going for your medical at Manchester (I know where you mean) you are only going controlled Landside not airsde so please get your facts right before posting
Dont forget Security staff are under extreme pressure , constantly bieng watched on cameras and by the DFT.They also have people posing as passangers carrying Knifes and other weapons strapped to all parts of there bodies ( thats why the frisks are so intrusive )
As for the person who asked why people cant just be wanded well there are allsorts of weapons out there made of Kevlar and plastic that a metal detector could not find and are just as deadly as metal ones.
Just read the post about the man and his photo. He 's not happy to have his photo taken by security but he is happy for it to be pasted on the front of the Manchester Evening Post......... What a joke
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mikeyuk, so why are there so many "bell ringers" who have no idea why they set off the alarm.
You only have to read "Papillon" to know where the cigar tube and knife are hidden. Patting the bum all day will not detect a thing.
So the 80% who don't set off the alarm and are not searched are the real threat then!!!!!!!
Pax and crew are searched because they set off the METAL detector, the "wand" should the primary tool for locating that metal.
AB
You only have to read "Papillon" to know where the cigar tube and knife are hidden. Patting the bum all day will not detect a thing.
As for the person who asked why people cant just be wanded well there are allsorts of weapons out there made of Kevlar and plastic that a metal detector could not find and are just as deadly as metal ones
Pax and crew are searched because they set off the METAL detector, the "wand" should the primary tool for locating that metal.
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Mikeuk,
As a security officer, if that is your considrered professional response then, well.......we are in trouble.
You are right, kestral has hit the nail on the head but it does not justify their actions. Just because some crew go through security with their noses held high, does not mean that all crew should be treated with a lack of respect. In the same way some of our passengers are horrid to our crew, would you expect our crew to be nasty to all the other passengers.
It would seem that some of you guys (not all by any means) seems to resent aircrew. Why do you think that is?
As a security officer, if that is your considrered professional response then, well.......we are in trouble.
You are right, kestral has hit the nail on the head but it does not justify their actions. Just because some crew go through security with their noses held high, does not mean that all crew should be treated with a lack of respect. In the same way some of our passengers are horrid to our crew, would you expect our crew to be nasty to all the other passengers.
It would seem that some of you guys (not all by any means) seems to resent aircrew. Why do you think that is?
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It would seem that some of you guys (not all by any means) seems to resent aircrew. Why do you think that is?
Just a thought....
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They also have people posing as passangers carrying Knifes and other weapons strapped to all parts of there bodies ( thats why the frisks are so intrusive )"
Surely the nature of the checks isn't just to pass the test posed by the DFT, what about catching those nasty people that want to blow up aeroplanes?
They also have people posing as passangers carrying Knifes and other weapons strapped to all parts of there bodies ( thats why the frisks are so intrusive )"
Surely the nature of the checks isn't just to pass the test posed by the DFT, what about catching those nasty people that want to blow up aeroplanes?
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Considering the fact that security staff are under paid, supervisor not present when required and constant body search even if there is no "beep" when passing the metal detector????
What can we do?
I wrote to the airport authority and 6 months after a "excuse" letter arrive. Saying "our staff is on a constant pressure.... ans so and so.......
If you want to blame someone or the system, blame the big boss not the employees! Everybody knows that the big boss is always protected by politics.... and in that case again. What can we do?
Just go to israel once and you will know what is a complete security check!!!!!
and if you move your little finger you are entering in a world of troubles.......)
My advice, keep cool when passing trough a security check!
I know it's"easy to say" but keep smilling
What can we do?
I wrote to the airport authority and 6 months after a "excuse" letter arrive. Saying "our staff is on a constant pressure.... ans so and so.......
If you want to blame someone or the system, blame the big boss not the employees! Everybody knows that the big boss is always protected by politics.... and in that case again. What can we do?
Just go to israel once and you will know what is a complete security check!!!!!
and if you move your little finger you are entering in a world of troubles.......)My advice, keep cool when passing trough a security check!
I know it's"easy to say" but keep smilling
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1st try to copy names correctly.
2nd I suggested that a wand be used to find what caused the bleep . If that was not successful than yes a professional frisk not a touch-one up done by some pervie security chimp. Would be a bit of a farce if no staff got airside for refusing to be frisked yet bleeping merrily upon walking through an arch.
I take it that your the person who stands up whilst the seat belt sign is on endangering all those pax around you. Knows better than the crew.
The whole idea is to detect and prevent restricted items reaching and being used as a weapon on an aircraft. Don't start me on how useless the whole security issue is. If a terrorist wants to cause trouble there are numerous ways and means with items obtainable airside of any security point.
Most of the security personnel I come in contact with both professionally and as a punter conduct themselves admirably within the constraints placed upon them by the nature of thier jobs.
All remember, we are out there to move people and freight from A to B etc with minimum inconvience and cost. If we don't then the terrorist has succeed without even being present.
1st try to copy names correctly.
2nd I suggested that a wand be used to find what caused the bleep . If that was not successful than yes a professional frisk not a touch-one up done by some pervie security chimp. Would be a bit of a farce if no staff got airside for refusing to be frisked yet bleeping merrily upon walking through an arch.
I take it that your the person who stands up whilst the seat belt sign is on endangering all those pax around you. Knows better than the crew.
The whole idea is to detect and prevent restricted items reaching and being used as a weapon on an aircraft. Don't start me on how useless the whole security issue is. If a terrorist wants to cause trouble there are numerous ways and means with items obtainable airside of any security point.
Most of the security personnel I come in contact with both professionally and as a punter conduct themselves admirably within the constraints placed upon them by the nature of thier jobs.
All remember, we are out there to move people and freight from A to B etc with minimum inconvience and cost. If we don't then the terrorist has succeed without even being present.
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HAPZAM 
" If that was not successful than yes a professional frisk not a touch-one up done by some pervie security chimp "
Any wonder why Security Staff pick on people like you.
I'm not a person who stands up on an aircraft whilst the seatbelt sign is on as i'm not that thick, compaired to someone who cant stand still for about 30 - 40 seconds whilst being frisked.
" If that was not successful than yes a professional frisk not a touch-one up done by some pervie security chimp "
Any wonder why Security Staff pick on people like you.
I'm not a person who stands up on an aircraft whilst the seatbelt sign is on as i'm not that thick, compaired to someone who cant stand still for about 30 - 40 seconds whilst being frisked.
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Fed up of Fed's
Does anyone else get pissed off with the hass crew get, going in/out of the US?
If homeland security don't get you on the way in then the TSA F*#@ you over on the way out..
I'm sure there would be lots of loud pissed of Yank crews here if they were treated as bad.
If homeland security don't get you on the way in then the TSA F*#@ you over on the way out..
I'm sure there would be lots of loud pissed of Yank crews here if they were treated as bad.
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Yes I fully believe that flight crew and other airport staff should be searched and yes passengers should see it - it shows any 'would-be' terrorist that bribing airline / airport staff isn't necessarily an option to get Prohibited items airside.
A few other points to make:
Requesting a 'wand' when you activate the arch isn't approved by DfT, the DfT require that hand search is completed as it is more effective at identifying concealed items (that may not necessarily be metal) - watch a British search versus a search in Europe and honestly see which you think is most effective.
Yes a body search should be thorough - but admittedly being 'touched up' isn't appropriate. As others have mentioned, you should have requested to speak to a Supervisor at the time i.e. if you think you were 'sexually' harrassed'. Don't however complain for the search being thorough as there is unlikely to be an apology for this!
A few other points to make:
Requesting a 'wand' when you activate the arch isn't approved by DfT, the DfT require that hand search is completed as it is more effective at identifying concealed items (that may not necessarily be metal) - watch a British search versus a search in Europe and honestly see which you think is most effective.
Yes a body search should be thorough - but admittedly being 'touched up' isn't appropriate. As others have mentioned, you should have requested to speak to a Supervisor at the time i.e. if you think you were 'sexually' harrassed'. Don't however complain for the search being thorough as there is unlikely to be an apology for this!
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hasta,
I agree with you totally. I don't mind being searched in front of pax. I do mind being patronised and treated like s@@t at any time, let alone infront of passengers.
I agree with you totally. I don't mind being searched in front of pax. I do mind being patronised and treated like s@@t at any time, let alone infront of passengers.