Channex selling selling F27's,crews & engs as a package !!.

[twang]

It seems that Channex are selling their remaing F27's with crews/engs included in the package . Very strange !.
The deal seems to be go with the aircraft or receive the order of the boot, surely this can't be legit ?.

[RoyHudd]

Unlikely. Technically not feasible without full compliance of all people concerned.

[fokkerplod]

Air Contractors Buys Chanex F27's

Hi

just been announced that ACL have bought Channex's remaining

F27 ' s Flight Crew, Engineers, and Maintenance Facilities.

Under a TUPE Transfer all staff to retain current pay and conditions (higher than ACL's (ex BAC Staff!!!))

Its ACL's way of taking the Royal Mail Contracts Too!!!!

[woptb]

The people have been given no choice ,move or walk. It is possible that this is legal, but it is certainly not MORAL !!!!.
There are managers & directors who should hang their heads in shame at the treatment being meted out to these people .

[Harrier46]

This purchase was flagged on the freight forum several months ago by IDC (but cannot find it now, probably censored like many other tasty items!) It has therefore been an open secret for some time and everybody concerned has had plenty of time to jump ship. Just surprised anybody's still left.

[woptb]

Why should they have jumped ship after all this is a successful growing company that rewards loyalty

[Sick Squid]

Just hunt a bit better... there is NO censorship of "tasty" items on this board, posts are only removed to the Admin. forum for potential legal reasons (c.f Ryanair recently,) deleted by the original contributor, or as quite often happens merged into related threads.

This board would not last one month if such censorship was applied, and none of the moderators would have any part of such a policy. I get a bit fed up at snide little cheap remarks like that.

Now, back to the topic.

[loveJet]

Does this have any implications for the Bournemouth flights? Will they be operated by ACL or a change aircraft type with Chan-Ex?

[Harrier46]

The routes (F27) go with the aircraft and crews, a package deal.

[Diesel8]

I may be missing something, but is it not better that they go as a package as supposed to getting the boot?

[Harrier46]

F27 crews look to progress onto the 737 and A300 fleets within Channel therefore this is not good news for them, after all there are far fewer positions to step up to in ACL and who is going to take priority, the newcomers or the current crews. They may be secure but for how long and of course the old saying "better the devil you know". Interesting times ahead.

sick squid
Apologies for "snide remark". I have looked further but thread has definitely gone, but so too has the author (IDC) and all his threads are inaccessible so presumably that is the answer.

[we_never_change]

With the F27s going, what does the future hold for the A300s? Are these to be disposed of also so Channel Express/Dart Group are left solely with a B737-300 fleet?

Contractors also operates some Airbus A300s.

WNC

[Harrier46]

The A300s are staying for now, while they are profitable. However there was some belt-tightening on the fleet a few months ago with a few redundancies. Since the EU expanded recently there have been more pressures on the UPS contract due to the extra freighters and operators now able to operate freely in the EU. The UPS contract is not so lucrative as it once was.

[Audreyslackey]

Apparently MNG were bidding against ACL, MNG wanted the aircraft and ACL wanted the routes. ACL obviously wanted the routes more, question is will the crews find themselves operating to the Irish FTLs.
On the ground side there is now little to stop the whole operation moving North. One or two senior staff have already been "requested" to make the move but apparently are not too happy.

[Norman Stanley Fletcher]

As a former Channex Herald pilot I am both interested and saddened to hear of this bad news. Many of these F27 guys were hanging on in there to become 737 pilots with the company and now find themselves stuck in the position of being condemned to life in the turboprop world for the indefinite future.

In Channex, loyalty was a one way transaction. There is no doubt that Meeson is a hard-nosed businessman who has a long history of stuffing his employees - both high and low alike. As I have advanced onto other companies and different aircraft, I have often looked back in amazement at what passed for 'normal' behaviour from the management there. It would have been considered absolutely outrageous in every other company.

He is clearly puting all his eggs in the Jet 2 basket - a very questionable strategy. If push comes to shove he will always lose out to easyJet or Ryanair if the big fight starts as they have economy of scale on their side.

The very best of good fortune to all the F27 guys being sent off elsewhere.

[Arkroyal]

The A300s are staying for now, while they are profitable. However there was some belt-tightening on the fleet a few months ago with a few redundancies.

Do you mean they weren't offered the 737? Why sack proven crew, and recruit for J2 at the same time

He is clearly puting all his eggs in the Jet 2 basket - a very questionable strategy

Not really, as many new 73s are freighters.

Good luck to my ex colleagues on the F27. Surely Trubs could do better than sell off his loyal workers?

[Harrier46]

Arkroyal
A300 redundancies were loadmasters and a couple of pilots who were job sharing. None were offered 737.

[fokker]

The very best of luck to all my former colleagues. You have my greatest sympathy; I know how it feels to be comprehensively sh*t on.

I can't believe Trubs being involved in a shabby deal like this. If he is, that really is the very last nail in the coffin of my faith in people's better side.

[ragspanner]

Shameful ,no other word to discribe this act. Some of the people 'sh@fted' have been with Channex for a decade & more, some of the engineers around the fifteen year mark !!.
Hard nosed business man ?, not the term i would use.
Hang your head in shame !. Everyone in BOH polish up your CV's.

[Aerodyne.]

Terrible news !!. Channel at least used to put up a 'facade' of being like family . Sadly it seems no more. Shocked to hear that PM has allowed his people to be treated in such an impersonal & disloyal fashion. I had heard that staff within the company were unhappy,if this is an example of the way they treat their people i really can see why.
Apparently there are problems recruiting for MAN. Is it just the package ?. It really is a small industry and word gets around.
My very best to all those sold down the road.