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Having recently been to easyland,bewarned this is a very professional outfit,however my sim check was carried out in a 737 fixed sim in SOH 11 hours after the aptitude tests and a 4 hour drive.The sim was conducted by an EX BA skippper who couldn't even speak the queens english!! Haveing carried out the various tests, I was informed that I would not be offered a contract.
I do except that the sim check was less than perfect but I would like to see this SOB would fly my current type on raw data without a breif and haveing never flown the relevant type or sim before.
This gentleman or ladies is why I have never and will never apply to BA.
And to the ATP acadmey why do you employ these has beens!!
To the recruitment staff at easy, thank you for a great day and I sincerely wish you all the best.PGH
[ 07 August 2001: Message edited by: roland rat ]
I do except that the sim check was less than perfect but I would like to see this SOB would fly my current type on raw data without a breif and haveing never flown the relevant type or sim before.
This gentleman or ladies is why I have never and will never apply to BA.
And to the ATP acadmey why do you employ these has beens!!
To the recruitment staff at easy, thank you for a great day and I sincerely wish you all the best.PGH
[ 07 August 2001: Message edited by: roland rat ]
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don't feel alone.
i have had more turn downs than acceptances.
one thing that helps me cope is remembering that even someone like thomas edison reminded those who admired his inventions that he had more failures than successes.
and if he did, certainly must i.
and just like you, i have been surprized at the "professionalism" i have encountered in this industry. there again, the only real meaning for that word is; they will swear by what they do!!!!
i have had more turn downs than acceptances.
one thing that helps me cope is remembering that even someone like thomas edison reminded those who admired his inventions that he had more failures than successes.
and if he did, certainly must i.
and just like you, i have been surprized at the "professionalism" i have encountered in this industry. there again, the only real meaning for that word is; they will swear by what they do!!!!
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rr,
I understand your anger, however I see some positive things in this.
Nr 1 U got "invited" to EZ land, which is not so bad considering the nr of candidates out there. That means airlines ARE interested in U !!
Nr 2 U got a sim session "free of charge". Another good experience for the next recruitment schemes U'll attend.
Are U sure U failed due to your performance in the sim, or could it B something else ? In most sim sessions, "instructors" do not expect U to fly the a/c to perfection, especially when U've never flown it before. What they expect, however, is good airmanship, good scan & good CRM.
One last thing, most airlines look for a particular profile. U might B the best pilot around & still not get the job, because there's something else they want. On the other hand, I've seen people being hired despite a really poor performance in the sim (busting altitudes, landing @ Vref +50, etc).
Your skills may play an important part in the process, but personality & luck certainly have their role as well.
Good luck for the next one.
MF
I understand your anger, however I see some positive things in this.
Nr 1 U got "invited" to EZ land, which is not so bad considering the nr of candidates out there. That means airlines ARE interested in U !!
Nr 2 U got a sim session "free of charge". Another good experience for the next recruitment schemes U'll attend.
Are U sure U failed due to your performance in the sim, or could it B something else ? In most sim sessions, "instructors" do not expect U to fly the a/c to perfection, especially when U've never flown it before. What they expect, however, is good airmanship, good scan & good CRM.
One last thing, most airlines look for a particular profile. U might B the best pilot around & still not get the job, because there's something else they want. On the other hand, I've seen people being hired despite a really poor performance in the sim (busting altitudes, landing @ Vref +50, etc).
Your skills may play an important part in the process, but personality & luck certainly have their role as well.
Good luck for the next one.
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When I went for my turn at the sim I found the two guys running it down there to be extremely helpful, polite and patient. And I came away still with the same opinion despite not flying it nearly as well as I normally do on the line. They were gentlemen from the old school and I wish all sim guys showed the same willingness for the job as these two boys did.
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MF, Stator thank you for your constructive comments,the failure to be offered a contract was a direct result of the sim ride.A a collegue also in the sim at the same time was not offered a position either.
I am at the moment employed as a Cpt on medium jet aircraft and although obviously disapionted not to be joining eJ I am very happy with my current employer.
Again to all at eJ Good Luck.
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I am at the moment employed as a Cpt on medium jet aircraft and although obviously disapionted not to be joining eJ I am very happy with my current employer.
Again to all at eJ Good Luck.
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RR..."This Gentlemen or Ladies is why I have never and will never apply to BA"
Let me get this straight, you won't apply to BA because you failed an Easy Jet sim ride???
The bitter smell of sour grapes....
Let me get this straight, you won't apply to BA because you failed an Easy Jet sim ride???
The bitter smell of sour grapes....
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As my old English teacher used to say, "Disappear, disappoint, one 'S' two 'P's"....
"People in glass houses".....
All that said, don't be too upset, there are plenty of other employers out there. Very best of luck with your endeavour.
"People in glass houses".....
All that said, don't be too upset, there are plenty of other employers out there. Very best of luck with your endeavour.
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As some of you guys have pointed out it's indeed not only your skills behind the control wheel which will equip you with a "passed" rubber stamp on the forehead..
It is certainly also your decision making, how you interact and your general attitude towards job and life in general.
No employer wants people who "smell" of problems.. (I'm not hinting towards this forum starter - but just speaking in general). That's not only within the aviation industry. It's just how it is..
Have a nice day - all..
It is certainly also your decision making, how you interact and your general attitude towards job and life in general.
No employer wants people who "smell" of problems.. (I'm not hinting towards this forum starter - but just speaking in general). That's not only within the aviation industry. It's just how it is..
Have a nice day - all..
RR,
Got to agree with you. Know of 2 guys recently taken for a ride (sorry I mean a sim session) with the crowd at SOU. Ex-B.A. captain running the session was less than courteous (not even a good morning or thankyou) and as with you, virtually no time to study the sim facts and figures having only arrived from LTN late the previous evening. In your defence, they also didn't make 'his grade'. Don't know what your CRM is like but surely the sim is only to view your flying ability not view your interpersonal skills. The group session in the interview stage is to assess that. Perhaps the team at EZY should look again at this sim and it's instructors. The guys I know are excellent operators with great CRM ability and technique.
All the best for the future, perhaps EZY will get wind of the poor feeling towards this session and look again at the results of your chop ride!!!
Got to agree with you. Know of 2 guys recently taken for a ride (sorry I mean a sim session) with the crowd at SOU. Ex-B.A. captain running the session was less than courteous (not even a good morning or thankyou) and as with you, virtually no time to study the sim facts and figures having only arrived from LTN late the previous evening. In your defence, they also didn't make 'his grade'. Don't know what your CRM is like but surely the sim is only to view your flying ability not view your interpersonal skills. The group session in the interview stage is to assess that. Perhaps the team at EZY should look again at this sim and it's instructors. The guys I know are excellent operators with great CRM ability and technique.
All the best for the future, perhaps EZY will get wind of the poor feeling towards this session and look again at the results of your chop ride!!!
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Rhythm Method...couldn't agree more with you old chap (ex BA speak?)
I also know a couple of accomplished high time pilots snubbed by ATP and yet promptly hired by other 737 operators...to easyJets loss.
I also know a couple of accomplished high time pilots snubbed by ATP and yet promptly hired by other 737 operators...to easyJets loss.
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'what did he expect?' I hear you say. I would suggest he was looking at how you handled the difficult situation you were put in. He certainly wouldn't have expected you to fly the perfect profile in an 'alien' machine, but what he would have required was the right attitude toward it and a steady improvement as the session progressed, commensurate with your previous experience.
I must admit, if it had been me, I would have spent all night learning the profile, standard calls and speeds if I'd wanted the job that much............. attitude counts for a lot.
Never forget that a company like easyjet can pick and choose based on whatever criteria they like. When there's a pilot shortage (for real) you might find things change, but until then you still have to jump through their hoops.
PP
'what did he expect?' I hear you say. I would suggest he was looking at how you handled the difficult situation you were put in. He certainly wouldn't have expected you to fly the perfect profile in an 'alien' machine, but what he would have required was the right attitude toward it and a steady improvement as the session progressed, commensurate with your previous experience.
I must admit, if it had been me, I would have spent all night learning the profile, standard calls and speeds if I'd wanted the job that much............. attitude counts for a lot.
Never forget that a company like easyjet can pick and choose based on whatever criteria they like. When there's a pilot shortage (for real) you might find things change, but until then you still have to jump through their hoops.
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Memories of my 3 weeks at ATP Academy include lots of lovely blokes and one big
t0$$er. Had the most damning report of my life from this chap saying I wasn't fit to be a pilot. Fortunately for me BA and the other sim guys didn't agree with him. I know this is going to be no consolation to you now, rr, but if you had this particular bloke in the sim no one is good enough to be a pilot. BA know there is a slight problem with him but he was once caught spectacularly on camera being a hero and his ego never recovered. All I can say is I hope you weren't a pilot of the female type because in his mind we deprive our husbands of a dishwasher.
And please don't tar all BA people with the same brush. Remember that it was an ezy day you were going to and they were the ones who deem ATP to be a good enough place for sim checks.
Good luck with future jobs.
t0$$er. Had the most damning report of my life from this chap saying I wasn't fit to be a pilot. Fortunately for me BA and the other sim guys didn't agree with him. I know this is going to be no consolation to you now, rr, but if you had this particular bloke in the sim no one is good enough to be a pilot. BA know there is a slight problem with him but he was once caught spectacularly on camera being a hero and his ego never recovered. All I can say is I hope you weren't a pilot of the female type because in his mind we deprive our husbands of a dishwasher.
And please don't tar all BA people with the same brush. Remember that it was an ezy day you were going to and they were the ones who deem ATP to be a good enough place for sim checks.
Good luck with future jobs.
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As my final post on the matter I wish to clarify one or two points,
1) Yes part of my first post was partially sour grapes, however I still believe this to be with just cause.
2) One of the gentlemen at the academy was exactly that, in ever sense of the word; the other however was most certainly not! I apologise if any offence was taken by the ATP Academy as a whole this was not my intention.
3) My gripes about the sim check was a) The lack of time spent on briefing and familiarisation with the type. b) That after completing an extremely long day it was nearly impossible to then drive a hellish trip around the M25, M3 and cover a brief to learn the profiles etc. (as it was both my colleague and my self had less than six hours sleep before having to report for the sim.)
4) I "accept"(just to please Lab Man) that not all BA pilots are the same, as I have many friends with BA, however my perception of a lot of their more senior Cpts is summed up by the word arrogance. This is why I have not and will not apply to them.
To everyone who has given encouragement many thanks, and if anyone is off to easyland and wants any information about the new format for the sim or interviews I will do my best to oblige.
RR
1) Yes part of my first post was partially sour grapes, however I still believe this to be with just cause.
2) One of the gentlemen at the academy was exactly that, in ever sense of the word; the other however was most certainly not! I apologise if any offence was taken by the ATP Academy as a whole this was not my intention.
3) My gripes about the sim check was a) The lack of time spent on briefing and familiarisation with the type. b) That after completing an extremely long day it was nearly impossible to then drive a hellish trip around the M25, M3 and cover a brief to learn the profiles etc. (as it was both my colleague and my self had less than six hours sleep before having to report for the sim.)
4) I "accept"(just to please Lab Man) that not all BA pilots are the same, as I have many friends with BA, however my perception of a lot of their more senior Cpts is summed up by the word arrogance. This is why I have not and will not apply to them.
To everyone who has given encouragement many thanks, and if anyone is off to easyland and wants any information about the new format for the sim or interviews I will do my best to oblige.
RR
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...RR... Is it true that the Easy Jet sim check ride consists of what is now basically a two hour OPC/LPC using raw data in an aircraft sim most of us have never flown before?? If so only type rated people are going to survive and the annouunced opening of the new BFS base in the new year is not going to happen. Perhaps Easy should reconsider returning to in-house assessment....UGENTLY. If you can not assess a pilots ability in 30 mins then something is most definitely wrong.
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I found the sim and the people who run it to be very reasonable. They gave us a good intro to the cockpit layout, didn't rush us and it was a ready when you are kind of deal.
Take-off to landing; probably 20 mins to half an hour. Despite my misgivings re my efforts I still came away thinking that they had been very helpful to both me and the other guy. Wish all sim instructors were as un-stressed as these guys.
Take-off to landing; probably 20 mins to half an hour. Despite my misgivings re my efforts I still came away thinking that they had been very helpful to both me and the other guy. Wish all sim instructors were as un-stressed as these guys.
