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Old 18th Sep 2004, 07:24
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La Rochelle flights will temp. operate to Rochefort from 31.10.04 - 17.04.05
Convenient considering Buzz closes on 31st October and they currently cover that route

Is this runway improvement work being done to allow -800's in there ?
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Old 19th Sep 2004, 14:31
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It sure is, they will be flying in there until the work is done . It is a very good route for the Ryans so they will be back.
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Old 19th Sep 2004, 23:55
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The ccm from the "nouveau" EEC states are being treated as slave labour, paid approx 1000 eu per month which makes it almost impossible to live and send any money home to the family
unless they either/or live in very crowded accomodation and augment their income

Well informed sources say that some have been fired for lap/table dancing and also in one instance a company pilot complained to ryanair that one lady demanded 100 euros for ........?
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Old 21st Sep 2004, 21:07
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I told Chickens that I would keep out of this, in the hope that you guys would discuss sensibly; I've heard so much nonsense now, that all bets are off.

You moan that you get no coffee, no water, blah blah, blah. Why don't you guys just leave? There are plenty that will take your place. Regardless what you say, you earn more than most in this industry and if the other guys here really understood what you take home in your pay packet then you would have no sympathy whatsoever. Pay for your medicals, sim, blah, blah. You are on the top scale of pilot earnings in the EU.

You wanna give that up? Many waiting eagerly to take your place. Maybe you should have some sympathy for your 'brothers' in MYT. Not heard a peep of support from any of you for your poor old MYT guys. Don't be surprised when they step in your shoes. But then again, you can blame your woes on BALPA, if you like. And, you really want to fight to get them to represent you?

Why not just give me 0.25% of your salary and in return I'll promise not to screw you....LOL
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Old 21st Sep 2004, 21:26
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You are on the top scale of pilot earnings in the EU.
I presume you are relying on creative Ryanair documentation and figures to make this preposterous statement. Regular readers will know your form and likely future contribution here.

Your excuse for returning is the failure to "discuss sensibly". Can one presume that you are to be the judge of that?
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Old 21st Sep 2004, 21:31
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Jack The Lad,

Yes, granted, the money is good but a) I've yet to see anyone in the company earning 100K a year and b) in other airlines, people with similar pay to ours only fly 500 hours a year AND have things like crew meals, uniform, medical reimbursements, car park passes, company ID's, etc., etc. included in the package which amounts to way more than the 3% granted to us.

As for people wanting to get out, many have headed for sunnier climates and there will be more to come as the industry picks up. The pool for good, quality pilots is drying up so if you think it's a case of simply replacing good, loyal people with sub standard contractors, you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

People just want to be treated with the respect they deserve, in a company where it is frustrating to see that the current culture developing results in good workmanship and loyalty mean nothing.
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Old 21st Sep 2004, 21:31
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GGV

I know exactly what you guys earn. Shall I publish it here? If I do, then you can reckon on loosing a lot of support here in the EU. Your call, my friend.

Yes, its my call to judge when I return to this nonsense. I've sat idly by watching you 'poor old darlings' winge and moan. Gloves are off if you like, me old mukka

Flying Irishman

I don\'t have an issue with you, per se. I\'m remarking about your outrageous peers that pontificate here. Yes, we\'ll all smell the coffee and others will have no qualms about paying for their coffee if they choose to order one.

I\'m deadly serious; scupper your own careers if you want to; there are 77 MYT pilots about to enter the market and they never earned anywhere near what the FR pilots do and they will eagerly suck up your jobs and gladly pay for their coffee or take their own bottles of water on board.

I\'ve sat here for months and listened to Chickensfly and Sergeblanco (before he was banned and rose out of the ashes; cloth ears or something) and I watch them wind all of the others up! Silly boys, the lot. Only when yu\'ve lost what you had will you begin to realise what it was worth!

Oh, and by the way...I\'ve got an Air2Bob crew meal for sale. Will anyone give me 50p?...40p?...30p....Nothing?, ok I\'ll put it in the bin and buy meself a sandwich from Sainsbury\'s like most folk do for lunch...Just hope that no-one reckognises me as a pilot. What would become my reputation?
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Old 21st Sep 2004, 21:47
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Well Jack, you just post what you want to post. You seem quite keen to do so ... maybe a mite too keen to be entirely all that you seem. However, before you produce the Ryanair propaganda have a quick look at this:

URL=http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145618

Remember, if you believe that you have the "real figures" you are by definition wrong. Why? Because there are so many different contracts there are no such things as THE "real figures". So, whatever your figures, specify the number/category of pilots, or type of contract, that your figures apply to.

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Old 21st Sep 2004, 21:52
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GGV

If you want me to read a link, then at least point me to one that works.

Yes, I can post accurate figures of what FR pilots do earn, never mind what contract. Would you like me to?

GGV. Well, I\'ve waited 5 minutes and no reply, even though I can see you watching this thread on line. I\'m off to bed now. Think on and if you like, I\'ll tell all what salaries you guys earn, even without water and little sympathy blankets.

Watch the FR HR department get deluged by lots very experienced jet pilots from MYT!
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Old 21st Sep 2004, 22:06
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Go ahead and post the contract conditions and salaries, as there are so many and so varied I'd love to see them all
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Old 21st Sep 2004, 23:00
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I think you work for Airtours? Why do you want to attack the Ryan Air pilots? What do you have against them? Please publish the Ryan salary scales, all of them and stick to the facts.
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Old 21st Sep 2004, 23:13
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Nice one, Jack the Lad, lets have some guys who will lose jobs then be content with the sub-standard BS on offer at RYR. Do you want to encourage RYR to further lower T's and C's??

I find it it very hard to believe that experienced people coming from MYT would be "gladly" bend over and take MOL's offerings.

Maybe if we learnt to stop denigrating each other, things would improve. Yeah, I wish.
 
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jack the lad alright

what the hell are you on about,your threads are all over the place.if you can post the ryanair terms and conditions on pprune.i will resign,give you my job at fr or to one of those poor myt boys you are so concerned about.you can earn the big bucks and be happy.i think i am safe enough though,because not even those within ryanair know what the contracts.you obviously don't have much interaction with fr pilots,try to get out more!

sleep well jack.
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Old 22nd Sep 2004, 08:07
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Jack The Lad,

Perhaps you might like to post the salary scales of newly promoted Captains at Buzz Stansted then ? (Soon to be flying RYR 800's for hundreds of pounds a month less than their peers !)

What was it MOL was saying about Ryanair staff being paid more than companies where they had union representation ? .........
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Old 22nd Sep 2004, 08:28
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Clohessy, you asked about BALPA above. Apparently we are to hear something from IALPA and BALPA "before the week is out". Cards are being played "close to the chest" but something is afoot in the near future, even if I have not got the timescale quite right.
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Old 22nd Sep 2004, 09:16
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Jack The Lad

Well at least you stimulated some debate.

But you are all missing the point.

This is not about the amount of money pilots - or any other group in FR for that matter - make in a year.

It's not quibbling by the "most cossetted group of employees" in the world.

This is about :

- the right to be represented collectively

- the right to a common contract for each group of staff

- the right to work in a company without consistently looking over one's shoulder.

Comparison between MYT and FR are immaterial. I have no idea what work BALPA undertook for those pilots. But I reckon that there were no communications from management to those pilots à la the FR ones we have previously read about on internet forums.

The guys in FR have a simple choice. If they want to do something about their situation, IALPA and BALPA are there to assist. Good luck to you all!
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Old 22nd Sep 2004, 09:52
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Well Said that man!!

Exceedingly well said Minuteman. That’s it in a nutshell.
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Old 22nd Sep 2004, 16:29
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MOL just interviewed on R4.

Precis as follows:

"Action by BALPA (British Airways Low Pay Association) members caused recent delays & cancellations.
No objection to union membership."

Both news to me
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Old 22nd Sep 2004, 17:49
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Here's the link to listen to that Radio 4 interview with MOL:-

MOL

Disappointed to note that a BALPA spokesman was not asked for comment to counter some of MOL's comments - perhaps they declined the offer?
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Old 22nd Sep 2004, 19:48
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A rather lacklustre reply from MOL I would say, not his usual self at all ....

See my previous post as to whether pilots enjoy better pay than with other companies !
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