Reporters Sneaking fake bombs onto airplanes (Merged)
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its not helping our industry either
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Well there's other ways of solving these kind of problems than jumping straight to the public eye, i mean this is just giving terrorists ideas.
But its only my interpretation.
But its only my interpretation.
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How long is it going to be before one of these journos gets a bullet in their head from and unfortunate over-reacting security staff member for trying something like this? Imagine the headlines.
Take that tool that sat on a jet brandishing a knife for his photographer to take snaps of. What would have happened if somebod yon the flight had seen this, and forcibly tried to take the knife of him?
Take that tool that sat on a jet brandishing a knife for his photographer to take snaps of. What would have happened if somebod yon the flight had seen this, and forcibly tried to take the knife of him?
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How long is it going to be before one of these journos gets a bullet in their head
The real question is, did The Sun suddenly decide to do this, or were they "tipped off" about the state of security at Birmingham?
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I could have wiped out more than 220 British passengers... and thousands more on the ground below," France said.
[*]Assemble it without blowing himself up 
[*]Get it through security 
[*]Get past the staff without looking and feeling uncomfortable and therefore suspicious. 
[*]Carry out the plan to kill everyone without being waylaid. 
[*]Ensure that he had left a full record of his plan at home, so that he could receive full credit in the media, as he would (fortunately) have died in the process. 
[/list=1] These journos have such inflated ideas of their abilities and only know how to write sensationalist headlines.
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I just cannot understand the reaction to this particular journo.
He has shown once again how poor security still is, how poor the checks still are and that if you are not prepaed to invest in personnel and training it will not get any better.
Do the Pilot fraternity not have an interest in supporting anything that highlights the fact that it is still easy to smuggle articles onto aircraft?
Strikes me that you are much more interested in reporter bashing than looking at the underlying problems.
As for "giving terrorists ideas", well, what utter rubbish!
PAXboy
I think he theoretically managed points 1 to 5!
If he had been the "genuine terrorist" he would have had access to the components and knowledge to set it up.
On point 6, as an airport worker, he didn\'t need to stay on borad to get blown up, just set a timer me thinks!!
He has shown once again how poor security still is, how poor the checks still are and that if you are not prepaed to invest in personnel and training it will not get any better.
Do the Pilot fraternity not have an interest in supporting anything that highlights the fact that it is still easy to smuggle articles onto aircraft?
Strikes me that you are much more interested in reporter bashing than looking at the underlying problems.
As for "giving terrorists ideas", well, what utter rubbish!
PAXboy
I think he theoretically managed points 1 to 5!
If he had been the "genuine terrorist" he would have had access to the components and knowledge to set it up.
On point 6, as an airport worker, he didn\'t need to stay on borad to get blown up, just set a timer me thinks!!
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I see nothing in the article (please correct me if I missed it) that would indicate that this guy had any explosives among his bomb components. In other words, even if he'd been subjected to neutron-based detection (or another follow-on "bomb-sniffing" technology), he'd still have been allowed to pass because he did not actually HAVE any explosives. Then he'd have been able to claim that, even though his equipment had been "swabbed," they STILL failed to detect his "bomb." Of course, that would only have shown that the system worked, having not alarmed with a false-positive...
--Edited to reiterate that he did not have a bomb. I think Paxboy's points remain valid, especially the point regarding acting suspicious. Again, he DID NOT HAVE A BOMB. I'm willing to wager that, had he had a bag with a few kilos of C4 in it he would have acted differently. THAT may have been enough to change the outcome (not to mention land him in jail).
--Edited to reiterate that he did not have a bomb. I think Paxboy's points remain valid, especially the point regarding acting suspicious. Again, he DID NOT HAVE A BOMB. I'm willing to wager that, had he had a bag with a few kilos of C4 in it he would have acted differently. THAT may have been enough to change the outcome (not to mention land him in jail).
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It seems to me that most of the world have the security issues all screwed up.
The Airplane has become the weapon. NOT the box cutter, the cutlery or your favourite swiss army knife.
Are the measures taken at airports throughout the world really effective at securing THAT weapon ??
The Airplane has become the weapon. NOT the box cutter, the cutlery or your favourite swiss army knife.
Are the measures taken at airports throughout the world really effective at securing THAT weapon ??
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If a normal fare-paying punter had tried to smuggle a fake bomb onto a flight, no doubt that passenger would be arrested, hauled up in court, probably get some sort of criminal record, and almost certainly be banned from flying with the airline concerned for the rest of their life.
Although I suspect he'll get away with what he's done (and maybe some will even applaud him for exposing a supposed loop hole in airport security), I sincerely hope that this PRAT from the Sun gets the same sort of treatment from the authorities that any normal passenger doing the same sort of thing would get.
Although I suspect he'll get away with what he's done (and maybe some will even applaud him for exposing a supposed loop hole in airport security), I sincerely hope that this PRAT from the Sun gets the same sort of treatment from the authorities that any normal passenger doing the same sort of thing would get.
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some will even applaud him for exposing a supposed loop hole in airport security
.......was employed by private contractor Aviance despite giving bogus references and bank details.
I suggest you direct your criticism at the people who have left these large holes, namely the BAA and the contractors they hire.
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This just drives me absolutely mad!!! I use BHX quite a lot and this doesn't suprise me at all. Just about every time I go through security I am scrutinised, searched and generally harassed. Myself and other flight crew that I have been with have had all sorts confiscated like nail clippers, razors (e.g. Gillette Mach 111), and a compass of all things. Whilst this is happening workman with tool boxes overflowing (gets me mad as I am not even allowed a screw driver incase I need to do something crazy like manually check fuel levels!!!) just get waved through because the security staff obviously find them familiar. Doesn't just happen at BHX either. It would seem that this reporter has highlighted a very weak area, whilst flightcrew and passengers are treated like criminals they seem to not apply the same level of scrutiny to all levels of staff.
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Firstly, the jurno is not lightly to be prosecuted, it would not be in the public interest. He has shown a loophole in security at Brum, and that alone will negate any attempt to get him into court.
Did the press do this before 7/11? Yes they did, on a regular basis. So did the father on of one the victims of Lockabie.
Paxboy,
Did you read the artical? The point is that he has all the compants to make a bomb, except the explosives. Those are not difficult to come by if you happen to move in terrorist circles. He was not going to kill himself, as he wasn't planning to staying in the cargo hold, where he quite obviouisly would have been able to place a bomb had he brought the real thing with him.
While I am not a fan of the press, at least they have not got thier heads in the sand on this matter. Which would you rather have? This sort of artical, or photos of a smoldering hole?
Did the press do this before 7/11? Yes they did, on a regular basis. So did the father on of one the victims of Lockabie.
Paxboy,
Did you read the artical? The point is that he has all the compants to make a bomb, except the explosives. Those are not difficult to come by if you happen to move in terrorist circles. He was not going to kill himself, as he wasn't planning to staying in the cargo hold, where he quite obviouisly would have been able to place a bomb had he brought the real thing with him.
While I am not a fan of the press, at least they have not got thier heads in the sand on this matter. Which would you rather have? This sort of artical, or photos of a smoldering hole?
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Although I’m no big fan of this sensationalistic sort of ‘investigative’ journalism, I have to admit that the current paranoid “security” system is begging to be exposed by these sort of journalists.
Basically we have an incompetent bureaucracy spinning out of control by confiscating nail clippers from flight crew (with crash axe in the cockpit ) or 90 year old granny’s while at the same time leaving complete areas in security uncovered.
At Crossair/Swiss we frequently complained about a certain French airport where all flight crew were intensely checked, while all ground crew (with access to aircraft!) was able to totally circumvent security! One morning a flight attendant had some difficulty opening the plastic wrap that holds together newspapers, the catering guy said “let me ‘elp you, mon cheri,” went to his catering truck and returned with a 30cm steak knife! All query’s from our Security Officer were systematically brushed aside by the French Airport Authorities with he usual efficient French mixture of ‘laissez faire’ and “Errrr….station culling?”
Just like the current ridiculous jumpseat restrictions, we desperately need some common sense in the security debate.
Basically we have an incompetent bureaucracy spinning out of control by confiscating nail clippers from flight crew (with crash axe in the cockpit
) or 90 year old granny’s while at the same time leaving complete areas in security uncovered. At Crossair/Swiss we frequently complained about a certain French airport where all flight crew were intensely checked, while all ground crew (with access to aircraft!) was able to totally circumvent security! One morning a flight attendant had some difficulty opening the plastic wrap that holds together newspapers, the catering guy said “let me ‘elp you, mon cheri,” went to his catering truck and returned with a 30cm steak knife! All query’s from our Security Officer were systematically brushed aside by the French Airport Authorities with he usual efficient French mixture of ‘laissez faire’ and “Errrr….station culling?”
Just like the current ridiculous jumpseat restrictions, we desperately need some common sense in the security debate.
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BHX Security a joke
As usual the small minded idiots at BHX security are to busy removing safety equipment from the first aid kits that crews have to have ( an ANO requirment ) rather than doing anything usefull.
The DFT should have a good look at BHX they will find it to be the most stupid security setup in the UK.
The DFT should have a good look at BHX they will find it to be the most stupid security setup in the UK.
