Emirates JFK-Dubai
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Emirates JFK-Dubai
Today (26th July) an Emirates A340 overflew the UK enroute from JFK to Dubai. My colleagues and I at Swanwick (London Control) wondered how long would the flight time be (roughly) and how many pilots would operate the aeroplane (we guessed 4-6), would any of our EK friends care to settle a bet?.
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Sorry to disagree but Emirates do have a governing body and that's the DGCA and can not make the rules up as they go along.Emirates have also decided to operate under JAR OPS and are,therefore,legally obliged to follow the same Flight time limitations as every other operator under JAR.Many UK Airlines,especially the charters,often obtain dispensation from the CAA to stretch FTL's so even if it were true,it would not be unique to Emirates.For the bet,there are 4 pilots.2 captains/2 f/o's.There is a crew rest area under the main cabin at the rear.It's very comfy with individual a/c plus 500 channel IFE as in pax cabin.They even have pyjamas provided.Operating pair of pilots do first 3 hours ,say ,then 6 hours horizontal rest ,then up front for last 3 hours or so.2 New Yorks and 1 Osaka or Sydney Direct is usually the months work for A340-500 guys and around 16 +days off/month.....now who's laughing?
P.S EXTRA Cabin Crew are carried but nnot sure of numbers.
Sorry to disagree but Emirates do have a governing body and that's the DGCA and can not make the rules up as they go along.Emirates have also decided to operate under JAR OPS and are,therefore,legally obliged to follow the same Flight time limitations as every other operator under JAR.Many UK Airlines,especially the charters,often obtain dispensation from the CAA to stretch FTL's so even if it were true,it would not be unique to Emirates.For the bet,there are 4 pilots.2 captains/2 f/o's.There is a crew rest area under the main cabin at the rear.It's very comfy with individual a/c plus 500 channel IFE as in pax cabin.They even have pyjamas provided.Operating pair of pilots do first 3 hours ,say ,then 6 hours horizontal rest ,then up front for last 3 hours or so.2 New Yorks and 1 Osaka or Sydney Direct is usually the months work for A340-500 guys and around 16 +days off/month.....now who's laughing?
P.S EXTRA Cabin Crew are carried but nnot sure of numbers.
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Bymonek,
Good post! Especially about the governing body. It is amazing the amount of people who are surprised that we really do have rules that we must follow, and that there is an authority watching over us. There has been one change however, we are now staffing JFK with only 3 pilots, 2 Captains and one F/O. This has been the case for about the last 4 or 5 weeks. We are required to have 2 captains because the rest area is in the tail of the aircraft, and if there were a problem it would take forever to get to the cockpit. With 2 captains, there is always 1 captain in the cockpit. If the crew rest area were close to the cockpit, we would be allowed by DGCA to staff with 1 captain and 2 f/o's, which I think is going to be the case on the 777-300ER. This could very well change in the winter when the winds are stronger, and also I believe that the FAA will require 4 pilots if we continually go over schedule and have to go into discretion time.
I went to JFK in June and it was 12:55 airtime over and 11:20 on the return to Dubai. It was long but it saves about 4-5 hours over connecting in LHR or FRA to get to JFK. The best thing is that it only takes 3 trips to make a month of credit, which is good for the golf game. (as if anything would help at this point)
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330 man
Good post! Especially about the governing body. It is amazing the amount of people who are surprised that we really do have rules that we must follow, and that there is an authority watching over us. There has been one change however, we are now staffing JFK with only 3 pilots, 2 Captains and one F/O. This has been the case for about the last 4 or 5 weeks. We are required to have 2 captains because the rest area is in the tail of the aircraft, and if there were a problem it would take forever to get to the cockpit. With 2 captains, there is always 1 captain in the cockpit. If the crew rest area were close to the cockpit, we would be allowed by DGCA to staff with 1 captain and 2 f/o's, which I think is going to be the case on the 777-300ER. This could very well change in the winter when the winds are stronger, and also I believe that the FAA will require 4 pilots if we continually go over schedule and have to go into discretion time.
I went to JFK in June and it was 12:55 airtime over and 11:20 on the return to Dubai. It was long but it saves about 4-5 hours over connecting in LHR or FRA to get to JFK. The best thing is that it only takes 3 trips to make a month of credit, which is good for the golf game. (as if anything would help at this point)
Regards,
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Flown this twice now, both in the space of two weeks which is not much fun but the service was best of any EK sectors. I thought that we had 1 captain and two FOs on the flight I was on. Could have been wrong though. Also the turn around time is pretty short. Arrive 1400 and depart 2330 the next day.
Rumour is that this may become a double daily from Jan 05.
Rumour is that this may become a double daily from Jan 05.
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Unless something has changed very recently there is no FTL scheme prescribed by JAR. Actually FTL issues are referred to subpart Q (which is empty), so effectively FTLs are determinated by national authorities in co-operation with operator.
Flight and Duty Time Limitations and Rest
Requirements. The scheme developed by the
operator in accordance with Subpart Q (or existing
national requirements until such time as Subpart Q
has been adopted).
legally obliged to follow the same Flight time limitations as every other operator under JAR
Flight and Duty Time Limitations and Rest
Requirements. The scheme developed by the
operator in accordance with Subpart Q (or existing
national requirements until such time as Subpart Q
has been adopted).
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HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!
That was the funniest post I've read in ages.
Make sure you take your glasses off before you start thinking that Profit share will last for ever and we'll be getting a payrise sometime soon.
You crack me up.
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!
That was the funniest post I've read in ages.
Make sure you take your glasses off before you start thinking that Profit share will last for ever and we'll be getting a payrise sometime soon.
You crack me up.
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Confirmation on the controlling authority. The GCAA (General Civil Aviation Authority) is the Federal Regulator in all matters regarding aviation in the UAE.
As far as I know the rules governing such flights are actually laid down by both Authorities, i.e. EK has to comply with both FAA and GCAA regulations when flying between the UAE and the States.
As far as I know the rules governing such flights are actually laid down by both Authorities, i.e. EK has to comply with both FAA and GCAA regulations when flying between the UAE and the States.
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Heard talk that EK and Airbus considering putting forward a case to crew the A380 like a cruise ship. Operating an 8hr on 16hr off shift pattern and staying with the aircraft throughout the rotation!!
Sounds like b@ll@cks to me but you could see the bean counters buying into it!
Sounds like b@ll@cks to me but you could see the bean counters buying into it!
Yeah, great!
does that imply that the aircrew can then enjoy a beer in the bar on board when they are off duty?
And will they build an officer's mess somewhere in the aircraft?
hehehe!
I honestly don't think this is going to work.
does that imply that the aircrew can then enjoy a beer in the bar on board when they are off duty?
And will they build an officer's mess somewhere in the aircraft?
hehehe!
I honestly don't think this is going to work.
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Sorry,have i missed something?
I was merely answering a geniune question posed by our collegues at ATC re-crew numbers,incorrectly as it turns out, but who mentioned anything about profit share and a pay rise? Try and keep up boy or are you hoping to turn this into yet another EK bashing forum?
CargoONE
In answer to you valid point,Emirates are using same FTL,s as UK Oporators ie CAA.
Sorry,have i missed something?
I was merely answering a geniune question posed by our collegues at ATC re-crew numbers,incorrectly as it turns out, but who mentioned anything about profit share and a pay rise? Try and keep up boy or are you hoping to turn this into yet another EK bashing forum?
CargoONE
In answer to you valid point,Emirates are using same FTL,s as UK Oporators ie CAA.
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Various posts talk of the "flight time", but for me I get tired relative to the "achieved time" which includes sitting on the gate waiting for start-up, doing the grand taxy tour of JFK and then getting airborne!
Would be very interested in "achieved" times for these sectors and how the airline responds to "commanders FTL discretion reports" on a regular basis.
Would be very interested in "achieved" times for these sectors and how the airline responds to "commanders FTL discretion reports" on a regular basis.
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BYMONEK
I'm not familar with UAE regulations. So you saying that their FTL is copied from UK, in other words they based on CAP 371? What a strange decision. CAP 371 is defenately most overcomplicated, rigorous and restrictive FTL on this planet, defenately not a good example to build any other national FTL.
In answer to you valid point,Emirates are using same FTL,s as UK Oporators ie CAA.