SQ getting SAS Crew for the 744F . True??
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Bah!!
Not a colonial history? Not if your history is only 100 years. Wasn't the swedish southern border somewhere around Istanbul in the 1700:s??
Check your facts factseeker...
Not a colonial history? Not if your history is only 100 years. Wasn't the swedish southern border somewhere around Istanbul in the 1700:s??
Check your facts factseeker...
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Negativity, Naivity, Reality, Wishful Thinking
Thanks Cosmo,
I find your comments valid, and it is good to caution people. As I mentioned, the SAS pilots have been out flying for many companies. Nigeria Airways on the B747 was a great experience..!
What I am reacting to, however, is negativity. Maybe I am somewhat naive, but I have seen a winter night before. And many different cultures and operational environments. And when I look back, I would not have missed one of them..!
As I understand from my contacts with a few SAS pilots, they were actually receiving cautions and warnings, in order for them to really examine and try to understand what 4 years in Singapore would mean. This included information sessions, Q&As etc.
Not from Cosmo, but another: I must rethink my geography, I never knew Sweden had borders to Turkey in the 1700s. Interesting statement. Actually I think it was the Swedish "expat soldiers" who took some long assignments (4 year contracts, no vacation, no free home base travel, interesting work..!)
I find your comments valid, and it is good to caution people. As I mentioned, the SAS pilots have been out flying for many companies. Nigeria Airways on the B747 was a great experience..!
What I am reacting to, however, is negativity. Maybe I am somewhat naive, but I have seen a winter night before. And many different cultures and operational environments. And when I look back, I would not have missed one of them..!
As I understand from my contacts with a few SAS pilots, they were actually receiving cautions and warnings, in order for them to really examine and try to understand what 4 years in Singapore would mean. This included information sessions, Q&As etc.
Not from Cosmo, but another: I must rethink my geography, I never knew Sweden had borders to Turkey in the 1700s. Interesting statement. Actually I think it was the Swedish "expat soldiers" who took some long assignments (4 year contracts, no vacation, no free home base travel, interesting work..!)
FS,
You are welcome to believe what you want. I don't work for SIA but have good friends that do, I have worked for SAS (wetleased) and have great respect for their pilots.
You however have not lived up to your nomme de plume and have a very one-sided view of SIA. That will be your problem. I hope that other SAS pilots will have the sense to be much more thorough in their investigations (you do sound like a paid recruiting agent).
The fact that you did not post on the Far East forum for more info shows your lack of interest in an unbiased view.
You are welcome to believe what you want. I don't work for SIA but have good friends that do, I have worked for SAS (wetleased) and have great respect for their pilots.
You however have not lived up to your nomme de plume and have a very one-sided view of SIA. That will be your problem. I hope that other SAS pilots will have the sense to be much more thorough in their investigations (you do sound like a paid recruiting agent).
The fact that you did not post on the Far East forum for more info shows your lack of interest in an unbiased view.
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Busy B - a little remark..!
Dear Busy B.
Your comments betray you and where you come from.
If a person is positive to SIA, based on research and quite a lot of friends, then he sounds like a "paid recruiting agent".
You, and your peers in "SIA busting", what do you see yourselves as..? I have a few suggestions, but will refrain, it is not constructive speculating in ulterior motives.
I happen to have friends in SAS, in SIA and in many other airlines. And I prefer to be a little more neutral in my starting point.
This does not mean that everything SIA is or stand for is fine and dandy. But look around you. Even SAS and SAS management certainly is taking a bashing from pilots these days, very much so. The same goes for a majority of airlines.
So what is so special about SIA. It is an airline, and I repeat my statement:
It is a well run operation.
It has a modern, well maintained fleet.
Infrastructure is nice (training, crew base etc.)
It operates from a "civilized" city, with a lot of opportunities and places to go nearby. (Multi-cultural, something fore everybody)
So, in this world of imperfects, it is by far the worst to go for. And for SAS pilots, retaining seniority and other perks, why not..? They can just look at this as a opportunity to get some change, even in temperature..!
FS
Your comments betray you and where you come from.
If a person is positive to SIA, based on research and quite a lot of friends, then he sounds like a "paid recruiting agent".
You, and your peers in "SIA busting", what do you see yourselves as..? I have a few suggestions, but will refrain, it is not constructive speculating in ulterior motives.
I happen to have friends in SAS, in SIA and in many other airlines. And I prefer to be a little more neutral in my starting point.
This does not mean that everything SIA is or stand for is fine and dandy. But look around you. Even SAS and SAS management certainly is taking a bashing from pilots these days, very much so. The same goes for a majority of airlines.
So what is so special about SIA. It is an airline, and I repeat my statement:
It is a well run operation.
It has a modern, well maintained fleet.
Infrastructure is nice (training, crew base etc.)
It operates from a "civilized" city, with a lot of opportunities and places to go nearby. (Multi-cultural, something fore everybody)
So, in this world of imperfects, it is by far the worst to go for. And for SAS pilots, retaining seniority and other perks, why not..? They can just look at this as a opportunity to get some change, even in temperature..!
FS
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Besides all the positive things , mentioned from Factseeker, which I agree with (have been to Singapore many times and like the place very much ) you cannot forget to think about flight safety, when putting 2 such different cultures, together in a cockpit. We all know, that it´s utmost importance that you have a good athmosphere in this little room, for so many hours. Otherwise things can go cathastrophig, which the past has well proven.
Is this delaying SIA pilots from promotion, or do they just not have the hours needed ?
JD dr.
Is this delaying SIA pilots from promotion, or do they just not have the hours needed ?
JD dr.
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So you thought that Millerscourt was a SIA person. Not so, he is in all the threads, all over the Internet. Basically, he is a (probably retired) pilot pewing his bad experiences all over the place.
Take this from the Emirates site, quote "Millerscourt":
You are quite correct in your assessment of Airline jobs in the Gulf/Middle East regettably. The T &C's are now so bad that those from the Western world should perhaps give it a miss unless for reasons quoted by Bigmouth.
Unquote.
And there are a lot more. Millerscourt is all over the place, telling you "how bad things are".
Rumor mongor, no substance. Put him in "junk mail"..!
FS
Another message "quote": Thanks FS, about time somebody like you got around, the PPPs were getting the upper hand.
PPP = Permanent Pizzedoff Pilots. (Mostly anglosaxon expats..!)
Unquote.
A lot of pilots in SE Asia are actually sick and tired of the negative inputs, probably from the Anglo Saxon Officers Club. In AHK, SQ, CX, CAL and others: Leave us alone. We are happy, go home to GB (Or Ryanair, EasyJet etc. You will love their T&Cs, their working conditions. And around the corner, you will find fish and chips. Forget StinkCity..! Not to mention HKG or BKK, which stinks even more..!
Take this from the Emirates site, quote "Millerscourt":
You are quite correct in your assessment of Airline jobs in the Gulf/Middle East regettably. The T &C's are now so bad that those from the Western world should perhaps give it a miss unless for reasons quoted by Bigmouth.
Unquote.
And there are a lot more. Millerscourt is all over the place, telling you "how bad things are".
Rumor mongor, no substance. Put him in "junk mail"..!
FS
Another message "quote": Thanks FS, about time somebody like you got around, the PPPs were getting the upper hand.
PPP = Permanent Pizzedoff Pilots. (Mostly anglosaxon expats..!)
Unquote.
A lot of pilots in SE Asia are actually sick and tired of the negative inputs, probably from the Anglo Saxon Officers Club. In AHK, SQ, CX, CAL and others: Leave us alone. We are happy, go home to GB (Or Ryanair, EasyJet etc. You will love their T&Cs, their working conditions. And around the corner, you will find fish and chips. Forget StinkCity..! Not to mention HKG or BKK, which stinks even more..!
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Factseeker
Why this fixation with "Anglo Saxons"?? You keep repeating yourself.
My only other thread has been the EK Middle East as I was ex GF and was considering EK as a DEC being A340 Rated in view of the deteriorating conditions in SQ not helped by the Singapore Dollar's decline and the new CA being thrust down our throats not helped by this large influx of SAS Pilots. You totally ignore this fact in your inimitable style.
I realise not being an "Anglo Saxon" that English is not your first language and I am trying to make allowances for that fact but you are making it very difficult to continue in this vein.
The only reason that SIA are taking SAS Pilots is because not enough interest has been shown by others in joining based on the conditions on offer.
For someone not in the Far East you seem to be very opinionated and totally blinded by your opinions to what others are trying to say and get through that skull of yours.
Why this fixation with "Anglo Saxons"?? You keep repeating yourself.
My only other thread has been the EK Middle East as I was ex GF and was considering EK as a DEC being A340 Rated in view of the deteriorating conditions in SQ not helped by the Singapore Dollar's decline and the new CA being thrust down our throats not helped by this large influx of SAS Pilots. You totally ignore this fact in your inimitable style.
I realise not being an "Anglo Saxon" that English is not your first language and I am trying to make allowances for that fact but you are making it very difficult to continue in this vein.
The only reason that SIA are taking SAS Pilots is because not enough interest has been shown by others in joining based on the conditions on offer.
For someone not in the Far East you seem to be very opinionated and totally blinded by your opinions to what others are trying to say and get through that skull of yours.
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Excellent threads Millerscourt.
Factseeker, you really sound like someone who's come up with an idea and is so enthusiastic about it, regardless if it is a good one.
No worries, welcome to S'pore and please bring in all your enthusiasm and I'll talk to you ... let me see ... same time in 2006, on pprune of course, Can ? Because I'm outta here in a matter of weeks anyway. Cheers.
Factseeker, you really sound like someone who's come up with an idea and is so enthusiastic about it, regardless if it is a good one.
No worries, welcome to S'pore and please bring in all your enthusiasm and I'll talk to you ... let me see ... same time in 2006, on pprune of course, Can ? Because I'm outta here in a matter of weeks anyway. Cheers.
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FactSeeker Exposed!!!
Having read all of Factseekers comments and his profile, it dawned on me who he is. Why, it's Mr. Otto Lagerhus himself, the man responsible for the SAS-SIA Cargo deal! Everything fits: Former SAS Captain in Norway who spent many years in SAS management to later retire early and start his own consulting company, with SIA as a previous customer, no less. You can all check it out on www.lac.no
Sorry Otto for exposing you, but I thought it only fair to all the readers of this thread.
Off to the boatyard...
Rather Be Sailing
Sorry Otto for exposing you, but I thought it only fair to all the readers of this thread.
Off to the boatyard...
Rather Be Sailing
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Thank you for sailing, Sailing..!
Rather be sailing performed an excellent speculation. I am now a consultant "responsible for the SIA - SIA Cargo deal..!".
Because I have all the info.
Which actually all is available on the SAS Intranet for 2500 pilots..! At least that is what I am told, as I do not have the required token for SAS. But SAS pilots do.
You really impress me. We will never be able to expose RatherBeSailing, or is it really Mr. Rather Should Be Sailing of Dubai..? Then we are smelling a emi Rat..!
Keep it up, the more you write, the more I am convinced that you actually are "no-fact". Why do you not create a few aliases, too. In order to "substantiate" your claims.
Actually I am the King of Sweden. And tomorrow I will be the Emperor, sailing up the Thames, and then heading south conquering Istanbul.
Great show, excellent entertainment. As said, keep it up. I shall..!
Because I have all the info.
Which actually all is available on the SAS Intranet for 2500 pilots..! At least that is what I am told, as I do not have the required token for SAS. But SAS pilots do.
You really impress me. We will never be able to expose RatherBeSailing, or is it really Mr. Rather Should Be Sailing of Dubai..? Then we are smelling a emi Rat..!
Keep it up, the more you write, the more I am convinced that you actually are "no-fact". Why do you not create a few aliases, too. In order to "substantiate" your claims.
Actually I am the King of Sweden. And tomorrow I will be the Emperor, sailing up the Thames, and then heading south conquering Istanbul.
Great show, excellent entertainment. As said, keep it up. I shall..!
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Death of a thread..?
The intelligent observer will have seen that this thread is deteriorating into pure allegations and speculations.
However, I think we are a little more enlightened regarding the issue of SAS pilots to SIA, and some of the worst speculations should have been put to rest.
No more to wring out of this subject, it seems, as other issues and allegations takes first place.
So, Factseeker rides on into the sunset, for another quest for the real facts.
But you do not get rid of him, he surfaces tomorrow, in another shape, but the same quest,
Maybe Zorro..?
However, I think we are a little more enlightened regarding the issue of SAS pilots to SIA, and some of the worst speculations should have been put to rest.
No more to wring out of this subject, it seems, as other issues and allegations takes first place.
So, Factseeker rides on into the sunset, for another quest for the real facts.
But you do not get rid of him, he surfaces tomorrow, in another shape, but the same quest,
Maybe Zorro..?
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My Good,
There are certainly a lot of bull**** out there.
Reg, SIA-SAS mixed cockpit, I'm certain all will have a good and well understanding of eachother, they are all professionals.
SAS has been around the world long before some of the other large(r) airliners, and they have done a great job so far.
What about looking 3 years back in time or more?????????
Reg, SIA-SAS mixed cockpit, I'm certain all will have a good and well understanding of eachother, they are all professionals.
SAS has been around the world long before some of the other large(r) airliners, and they have done a great job so far.
What about looking 3 years back in time or more?????????
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GREAT WORK!!!!
Good Job Rather be Sailing
I checked out the site and by golly you could be right.
This is going to spread like WILDFIRE!!!!!
In fact, it started already right here in Europe on a Night Stop...you know how crew just love a good story (goes well with Beers!!).
Cheers,
HSD
PS Maybe he rode into the sunset and fell off a cliff....poor horse!!!
I checked out the site and by golly you could be right.
This is going to spread like WILDFIRE!!!!!
In fact, it started already right here in Europe on a Night Stop...you know how crew just love a good story (goes well with Beers!!).
Cheers,
HSD
PS Maybe he rode into the sunset and fell off a cliff....poor horse!!!
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Half_shaft
Looks like another shafting to the locals.
But "unlucky" half-shafting... to prolong the agony.
This is to remind all locals that , it is unwise to
say: the grass has stopped growing there.
Pls. do not tell the emperor that he has no clothes..
damm, these lot never learn do they!!!!
But "unlucky" half-shafting... to prolong the agony.
This is to remind all locals that , it is unwise to
say: the grass has stopped growing there.
Pls. do not tell the emperor that he has no clothes..
damm, these lot never learn do they!!!!
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FS...
You seem to be very confident in your interpretation and "understanding" of what goes on in SIA....
How many people do you know that work there?? Captains or First Officers??
I'm not entering into details, seeing as you only seem to want to hear positives, but SHOULD you decide to go, I think you may find a few unexpected surprises, and some of your views may be ammended!
You have a lot t learn!
Good luck if you go.....it wont be easy for you (esp if you are an F/O).....
You seem to be very confident in your interpretation and "understanding" of what goes on in SIA....
How many people do you know that work there?? Captains or First Officers??
I'm not entering into details, seeing as you only seem to want to hear positives, but SHOULD you decide to go, I think you may find a few unexpected surprises, and some of your views may be ammended!
You have a lot t learn!
Good luck if you go.....it wont be easy for you (esp if you are an F/O).....
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Factseeker
As we are all waiting with bated breath, here in Singapore, would there be any chance of a reply to my post of 20 April 2004 in the Far East section, as follows:
Amongst all your hyperbole of late, I haven’t actually seen any comment that you may have considered making in respect of the 5 April posting of jstars2, featured on page 9 of this thread and which he/she quoted from another, previous thread, entitled The Facts about SQ!.
As you have so much to say on the subject of SIA and its recruiting/remuneration policies, perhaps you would care to enlighten us all here in SIA with your valued comment on that post’s content?
As we are all waiting with bated breath, here in Singapore, would there be any chance of a reply to my post of 20 April 2004 in the Far East section, as follows:
Amongst all your hyperbole of late, I haven’t actually seen any comment that you may have considered making in respect of the 5 April posting of jstars2, featured on page 9 of this thread and which he/she quoted from another, previous thread, entitled The Facts about SQ!.
As you have so much to say on the subject of SIA and its recruiting/remuneration policies, perhaps you would care to enlighten us all here in SIA with your valued comment on that post’s content?
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Guys...just wait 'til they head out to buy the latest Volvo station wagon (estate car) and/or talk with the admissions director for UWC or OFS school regarding their childrens schooling. Very nasty shock coming, but I guess it's better than being unemployed!