GB and B.MED pilots to join th B.A seniority list
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I think you are unfair on our erstwhile colleague, Hand. He appears to be somewhat better informed than most people on these forums. I would take issue with him on the MAN-GIB/MJV routes. My understanding is that they were on the original franchise agreement and GB can fly them if it wishes. I suspect, unlike him, that the BA pilots do have influence and are exerting it in the shape of their SCOPE agreement. Whilst these routes would be allowable under the agreement no one wants to inflame the situation at such a delicate time for all. Unlike Hand, I think that the franchise will be renewed and GB will continue operating and making a profit on their own routes in BA colours providing a BA service. Unfortunately GB will not be able to expand as planned but I doubt that BA will expand in to all the routes that GB could operate and bring the BA brand to.
As for GB having to compete against BA if the franchise were not renewed-you're having a larf Hand! GB will simply sign up with the Orange competition and Easy will then dominate LGW (this is their plan for sure) and also have a few sots at LHR and a start there.
I think you are unfair on our erstwhile colleague, Hand. He appears to be somewhat better informed than most people on these forums. I would take issue with him on the MAN-GIB/MJV routes. My understanding is that they were on the original franchise agreement and GB can fly them if it wishes. I suspect, unlike him, that the BA pilots do have influence and are exerting it in the shape of their SCOPE agreement. Whilst these routes would be allowable under the agreement no one wants to inflame the situation at such a delicate time for all. Unlike Hand, I think that the franchise will be renewed and GB will continue operating and making a profit on their own routes in BA colours providing a BA service. Unfortunately GB will not be able to expand as planned but I doubt that BA will expand in to all the routes that GB could operate and bring the BA brand to.
As for GB having to compete against BA if the franchise were not renewed-you're having a larf Hand! GB will simply sign up with the Orange competition and Easy will then dominate LGW (this is their plan for sure) and also have a few sots at LHR and a start there.
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I think a phrase which sums this up : - " Can't live with them, can't live without them!"
This being aimed at BA ! BA could and probably would screw themselves over if they drop GB !
This being aimed at BA ! BA could and probably would screw themselves over if they drop GB !
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I think perhaps that BMed have held (or obtained) the licence for these new routes and BA feel that that they can't fly them themselves due to capacity.
Certainly in the case of GB, as far as I understand, both GB and BA had licences to operate Dubrovnik, Algiers and Catania. BA chose to do them themselves for whatever reason.
GB had two options this year on Airbus aircraft which were not taken. They still have two options for next year and 2006. Clearly they expected further expansion which has not materialised.
It might be worth adding that a couple of years ago GB wanted to operate out of Manchester down to Gibraltar and Malaga. BA said that was fine but the aircraft would have to be crewed by BA mainline! Subsequently Monarch moved in and are now operating these routes almost certainly at a profit.
I think perhaps that BMed have held (or obtained) the licence for these new routes and BA feel that that they can't fly them themselves due to capacity.
Certainly in the case of GB, as far as I understand, both GB and BA had licences to operate Dubrovnik, Algiers and Catania. BA chose to do them themselves for whatever reason.
GB had two options this year on Airbus aircraft which were not taken. They still have two options for next year and 2006. Clearly they expected further expansion which has not materialised.
It might be worth adding that a couple of years ago GB wanted to operate out of Manchester down to Gibraltar and Malaga. BA said that was fine but the aircraft would have to be crewed by BA mainline! Subsequently Monarch moved in and are now operating these routes almost certainly at a profit.
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Capt Kirk:
<Your cost base is ludicrous and Rod knows it. He is doing something about it, so beeeeeware. >
We can't wait for Rod to do something about it.
What are you implying??
<Your cost base is ludicrous and Rod knows it. He is doing something about it, so beeeeeware. >
We can't wait for Rod to do something about it.
What are you implying??
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So the BACC want to give everyone at BA the chance to fly franchise aircraft. I don't know what the BA F/Os are in such a hurry for? Why don't they just wait until they retire from BA and join a franchise as DE Captains... That seems the normal route!
Personally, I can't see anything in it for GB or BMed - other than screwing up otherwise successful businesses. It won't help BA either, as they currently win both on fees and passenger feed from destinations they can't service at a profit.
I look forward to getting BA long-haul command pay.. ..but I won't hold my breath!!
Personally, I can't see anything in it for GB or BMed - other than screwing up otherwise successful businesses. It won't help BA either, as they currently win both on fees and passenger feed from destinations they can't service at a profit.
I look forward to getting BA long-haul command pay.. ..but I won't hold my breath!!
