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Old 4th Mar 2004, 20:23
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Manchester??

What happened to the MAN runway incursion thread?

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Old 4th Mar 2004, 21:16
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It seems to have disappeared from the Airliners Airports and Routes forum as well
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Old 4th Mar 2004, 21:22
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The Manchester Evening News have today published an article about the incident. It basically relies on what was mentioned in the thread on here, and a similar one on Airliners.net for it's 'facts'. I don't know if thats why its been deleted but the article will not make happy reading for many people on here.

MEN Story

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Old 4th Mar 2004, 21:53
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So this must mean that the journalists scour these forums looking for pieces of information that will make headlines on slow news days, how sad. The tone used in the article implicates a poor design in the layout of the runways, which is simply untrue. At many airports across the world, the crossing of active runways is needed to get to the terminals. Take the busiest airport in the world for instance (in terms of passenger numbers). At Atlanta, aircraft arriving on the outer-most of the four parrallel runways must cross the inner runways on which aircraft are taking off.

Does anybody else hate the way the media sensationalise small incidents at airports in order to grab the readers attention and sell more copies of their newspaper.

I for one am not worried about safety at Manchester airport for i believe the pilots flying into and out of the airport, as well as the air traffic controls are amongst the most proffessional people in the world.

I look forward to tomorrow when i will once again enjoy a speedy and efficient departure from Manchester on my way to Madrid. (Hopefully flight BA1642 wont get any delays )

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Old 5th Mar 2004, 01:47
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MAN AIRPORT

A journo on Granada has just stated that he got some hithero unknown info re the Man Airport Incident whilst he was TRAWLING THROUGH SOME AVIATION WEB SITES to-day.
So as busz stated journos DO scour the Aviation sites for info
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Radio2 new today described an incident between a MyTravel aircraft and "another airliner". Seems very unfair to only mention one of the airlines!

This is now the subject of an AAIB investigation.
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Mentioned also on Granada Reports tonight, but no airline detail and no date - obviously old news is ok in journalism if you don't disclose the date!
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BBC Northwest News tonight gave a reasonable run down of the incident and then the bloke in the studio said...

"so whos fault was it then"

Where do they get em??
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BBC Northwest tonight, they even got the rwys in use wrong in their graphic . Departing 24R instead of 06L

Oh little faith in journalists

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It's made BBC Ceefax tonight!
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Old 5th Mar 2004, 06:38
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Beeb now reporting ATCO suspended:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/3534245.stm

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(what DID happen to the original thread anyway?)
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Old 5th Mar 2004, 06:50
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I believe that the MEN reporter who filed the story John Scheerhout is a pass holder for the airport and is either based there or is a regular visitor.

Kevin Feddy was his predecessor, a journalist for whom every flat surface at the airport was a "runway"

Reporters doncha just luv 'em

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Seems i've opened a real hornets nest !
All I was interested in was as to whether the incident observed would be investagated by the AAIB as a near miss incident or similar event.
I posted my observations both here and on another more general aviation forum to elicite relevent interest and comment from people who know about these things and NOT to raise the attentions of the general media at this time !
Clearly there is an investigation underway and if the comments about suspensions are true then it was inevitable the media found find out through their trolls !
I do hope that NO ONE looses their employment least of all ATC staff as a result but better any leasons that may be learnt are taken on board as applicable and procedured modified where necessary.(ie no head in sand senarios!)
I would like to know why the original post was deleted as this really is a more important and relevent topic of debate than whether a particular ATR is painted in BMIbaby of Cymru colours !

Seems i've opened a real hornets nest !
All I was interested in was as to whether the incident observed would be investagated by the AAIB as a near miss incident or similar event.
I posted my observations both here and on another more general aviation forum to elicite relevent interest and comment from people who know about these things and NOT to raise the attentions of the general media at this time !
Clearly there is an investigation underway and if the comments about suspensions are true then it was inevitable the media found find out through their trolls !
I do hope that NO ONE looses their employment least of all ATC staff as a result but better any leasons that may be learnt are taken on board as applicable and procedured modified where necessary.(ie no head in sand senarios!)
I would like to know why the original post was deleted as this really is a more important and relevent topic of debate than whether a particular ATR is painted in BMIbaby or Cymru colours !
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Old 5th Mar 2004, 16:06
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Do you think we are stupid. It is unlikely that anyone will lose their job. We do not "bury our heads in the sand" after any incident whatsoever. Each is examined to find out the cause so that procedures are put in place, if required, to stop it happening again. Only after a full investigation by AAIB/SRG will the true facts be found as to the cause. Ther may be one or many factors (which is normally the case) contributing to the incident. These will all be taken into consideration for the report. I can assure you that myself and my Pilot/ATCO colleagues are very professional and the aviation industry is one of the safest industries in the world, due to our dedication to make it so. Unfortunately there are people out there who know very little about our specialised industry and a little knowledge is dangerous. Please leave it to us to determine the cause and ensure it doesn't happen again.

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Old 5th Mar 2004, 16:18
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I'm just a simple bloke with an interest in aviation matters and am totally happy to place my safety in the hands of the professionals but that last sentance is a bit patronising, you are still accountable to the rest of us in the final analysis!
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very professional
Not with the attitude portrayed at the end of the post.

I'd imagine that comments such as;

Unfortunately there are people out there who know very little about our specialised industry and a little knowledge is dangerous. Please leave it to us to determine the cause and ensure it doesn't happen again.
would be more damaging to the reputation of these professionals in the eyes of an unscrupulous reporter than anything else. I can see it now:

"ATC WORKERS RIDICULE PUBLIC CONCERNS"

Wouldn't take much of a stretch for a journo to generate that sort of a headline from the above.


I know I'll get stick, so for the record, I know former ATC professionals and have met many at places like MAN and LBA, also at military stations. I don't need to be reminded about their dedication to duty and professionalism etc.
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Old 5th Mar 2004, 17:31
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Sorry, if you felt I was being patronising and maybe my last sentence could have been worded better. I have come across many situations (during my 20 year career) of people, who are not professionally qualified to comment on the cause of such incidents. As you may have read all the press reports which get things wrong. All the wrong press gives the aviation industry a bad name, when all we are trying to do is ensure safety.

"you are accountable to the rest of us" is not a nice thing to say at this time due to the tragic events in Zurich recently.

"ATC workers ridicule public concerns", far from it. We do our best to ensure the aviation industry is safe. We will not shy away from public concerns, more to the point we put public concerns at the front to ensure there are no public concerns.

I know I don't need to remind you about dedication and professionalism from the Pilots/ATCO's, as they all know what they are doing.

Also to implicate that "we put our heads in the sand" is not acceptable. This is the last thing the Aviation Industry need accusing of.

Finally, the meaning of my last post was really to try and dissuade people from assuming what went wrong and posting it, and to wait and find out what really went wrong.


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Old 5th Mar 2004, 18:10
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Too many runways for 'em. Simple as that.

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Old 5th Mar 2004, 19:21
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What?

What the hell was that about P7? Too many runways?

Can you elaborte on that, apparent un-thought out explination?

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Anyone let me know what CRM means please?
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