Chinese Airlines Halt Ticket Sales to Pax from Middle East
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Chinese Airlines Halt Ticket Sales to Pax from Middle East
One sure way, politically incorrect, to reduce the threat. It must be pointed out that some nationalities and religions certainly do not receive equal treatment on Middle Eastern Airlines.
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October 12, 2001
Chinese Airlines Halt Mideast Sales
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 1:55 p.m. ET
HONG KONG (AP) -- Beijing authorities have instructed Chinese airlines in Hong Kong to halt ticket sales to nationals of 19 countries, mainly in the Middle East.
China National Aviation Corp., the sole agent of 10 mainland airlines in Hong Kong, told travel agents in an Oct. 3 memo to stop selling tickets to China to holders of certain passports and to refund tickets already bought.
China has tightened controls on Middle Easterners trying to travel to mainland China in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks in the United States and the retaliatory strikes on Afghanistan.
The memo, which was obtained by The Associated Press, urged travel agents to comply with rules issued by China's Foreign Affairs Ministry and the Civil Aviation Administration imposing "strict controls'' on travelers. It was unclear if the memo had been sent to travel agents in other countries.
A marketing manager at Air China, who identified herself only by the surname Leung, said the carrier's Hong Kong office received instructions from the Beijing headquarters to impose the ban for "safety reasons.''
The memo said added that there would not be "a total ban'' -- wording that may have been meant to allow room for diplomats or dignitaries to travel.
A deputy marketing manager of the China National Aviation Corp., who identified herself only by the surname He, refused to answer questions about the memo, saying the matter was "the business of a commercial company'' and not the public's concern.
Pakistani diplomats have complained that Beijing appears to have imposed a virtual ban on their nationals trying to visit mainland China. Some Middle Eastern consulates have also said that China has tightened entry requirements.
China's Foreign Ministry has acknowledged that entry rules are changed from time to time, but it disputed contentions this week that any nationalities have been singled out.
China's Civil Aviation Administration and the official spokesmen of three carriers -- Air China, China Eastern and China Southern -- denied a ban existed on Middle Eastern air travelers.
"We do not know such a thing,'' said a CAA official in Beijing, who refused to give his name. The CAA official said, however, that Chinese airlines have canceled flights to Pakistan and Kuwait.
The Chinese memo said tickets should not be issued to holders of the following passports: Afghanistan, Israel, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Sudan, Libya, Algeria and Pakistan. Holders of Palestinian passports were also barred
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October 12, 2001
Chinese Airlines Halt Mideast Sales
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 1:55 p.m. ET
HONG KONG (AP) -- Beijing authorities have instructed Chinese airlines in Hong Kong to halt ticket sales to nationals of 19 countries, mainly in the Middle East.
China National Aviation Corp., the sole agent of 10 mainland airlines in Hong Kong, told travel agents in an Oct. 3 memo to stop selling tickets to China to holders of certain passports and to refund tickets already bought.
China has tightened controls on Middle Easterners trying to travel to mainland China in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks in the United States and the retaliatory strikes on Afghanistan.
The memo, which was obtained by The Associated Press, urged travel agents to comply with rules issued by China's Foreign Affairs Ministry and the Civil Aviation Administration imposing "strict controls'' on travelers. It was unclear if the memo had been sent to travel agents in other countries.
A marketing manager at Air China, who identified herself only by the surname Leung, said the carrier's Hong Kong office received instructions from the Beijing headquarters to impose the ban for "safety reasons.''
The memo said added that there would not be "a total ban'' -- wording that may have been meant to allow room for diplomats or dignitaries to travel.
A deputy marketing manager of the China National Aviation Corp., who identified herself only by the surname He, refused to answer questions about the memo, saying the matter was "the business of a commercial company'' and not the public's concern.
Pakistani diplomats have complained that Beijing appears to have imposed a virtual ban on their nationals trying to visit mainland China. Some Middle Eastern consulates have also said that China has tightened entry requirements.
China's Foreign Ministry has acknowledged that entry rules are changed from time to time, but it disputed contentions this week that any nationalities have been singled out.
China's Civil Aviation Administration and the official spokesmen of three carriers -- Air China, China Eastern and China Southern -- denied a ban existed on Middle Eastern air travelers.
"We do not know such a thing,'' said a CAA official in Beijing, who refused to give his name. The CAA official said, however, that Chinese airlines have canceled flights to Pakistan and Kuwait.
The Chinese memo said tickets should not be issued to holders of the following passports: Afghanistan, Israel, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Sudan, Libya, Algeria and Pakistan. Holders of Palestinian passports were also barred
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Hmmm wonder if the Chinese will also stop selling these countries arms.........................nope didn't think so !
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hey sigma...think you misread the above fellow's handle....or do you read english? the chinese have been selling arms to our friend in the nw corner of the gulf for years...and now being hypocrites by refusing to carry passengers from certain countries, the vast majority of whom are just ordinary travellers....
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Sigma, as it apears that you have no concept of reading, let me point out that the post was intended to be ironic, just as the fact that our brave crews may be downed by stinger missiles is also ironic.
It was also intended to point out a strange and hypocitic decision made by a government who itself has not much regard to who's civil rights it violates, or indeed to who it supplies arms to.
Free speech is still tolerated in here is it ???
But to confuse me with the Guvnor, well, get off the bandwagon matey !!!
Next time look and READ before your consuming passion for 'Guvnor bashing' clouds your very dubious judgement !!
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Thats the way its goin' down........ baby
It was also intended to point out a strange and hypocitic decision made by a government who itself has not much regard to who's civil rights it violates, or indeed to who it supplies arms to.
Free speech is still tolerated in here is it ???
But to confuse me with the Guvnor, well, get off the bandwagon matey !!!
Next time look and READ before your consuming passion for 'Guvnor bashing' clouds your very dubious judgement !!
TG
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Thats the way its goin' down........ baby
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Now, Delta has cancelled the JFK-AMS flight after "Middle Eastern" people bought one-way tickets:
Delta flight canceled after suspicious bookings
October 13, 2001 Posted: 9:43 AM EDT (1343 GMT)
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Delta Air Lines canceled a non-stop flight from New York to Amsterdam Friday night after two men, described as Middle Eastern, bought one-way tickets and two others inquired about doing so, a source involved in the investigation told CNN.
Delta spokesman Tom Donahue would only say the flight was canceled due to a "security-related issue," and that two passengers were detained by the FBI prior to boarding at John F. Kennedy International Airport.
According to the investigative source, none of the names of those who inquired about the one-way tickets was on the FBI's watch list for potential terrorists.
Delta Flight 80 was kept at the gate until the scheduled 8:15 p.m. departure time to see if the men checked in, the source said.
Donahue would not reveal details about the identities of the two men detained. He said the remaining passengers are being booked on another Delta flight to Amsterdam.
Delta flight canceled after suspicious bookings
October 13, 2001 Posted: 9:43 AM EDT (1343 GMT)
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Delta Air Lines canceled a non-stop flight from New York to Amsterdam Friday night after two men, described as Middle Eastern, bought one-way tickets and two others inquired about doing so, a source involved in the investigation told CNN.
Delta spokesman Tom Donahue would only say the flight was canceled due to a "security-related issue," and that two passengers were detained by the FBI prior to boarding at John F. Kennedy International Airport.
According to the investigative source, none of the names of those who inquired about the one-way tickets was on the FBI's watch list for potential terrorists.
Delta Flight 80 was kept at the gate until the scheduled 8:15 p.m. departure time to see if the men checked in, the source said.
Donahue would not reveal details about the identities of the two men detained. He said the remaining passengers are being booked on another Delta flight to Amsterdam.
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Arrhh - Is there censorship on PPRUNE??
My last post was deleted, perhaps by accident?
If not, let me clarify. I'll start out with a quote from ironbutt57:
and now being hypocrites (the Chinese) by refusing to carry passengers from certain countries, the vast majority of whom are just ordinary travellers....
I don't find this hypocritical at all. The problems is that the terrorists look just like "the vast majority".
Political correctness is not what is going to prevent further terrorist attacks. I still say "great move, I whish the western world had the stregth to do so aswell" (is that so bad that it has to be sensored? If so please give me an explanation instead of just deleting my post).
For the record, I'm not advocating a ban of muslims, but a ban of passport holders from terrorist contries (such as the Chinese has imposed) would in my opinion be appropriate.
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[ 13 October 2001: Message edited by: cosmo kramer ]
My last post was deleted, perhaps by accident?
If not, let me clarify. I'll start out with a quote from ironbutt57:
and now being hypocrites (the Chinese) by refusing to carry passengers from certain countries, the vast majority of whom are just ordinary travellers....
I don't find this hypocritical at all. The problems is that the terrorists look just like "the vast majority".
Political correctness is not what is going to prevent further terrorist attacks. I still say "great move, I whish the western world had the stregth to do so aswell" (is that so bad that it has to be sensored? If so please give me an explanation instead of just deleting my post).
For the record, I'm not advocating a ban of muslims, but a ban of passport holders from terrorist contries (such as the Chinese has imposed) would in my opinion be appropriate.
(Edited for UBB bugs)
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Dear cosmo:
You probably didnīt think twice before saying "a ban of passport holders from terrorist contries" (such as the Chinese has imposed) would in my opinion be appropriate.".
Your idea, put in practice, would get a good deal of humanity grounded. Even excluding the middle eastern islamic terror groups, here are some examples of countries whose citizens would have visas denied (and their active terrorist groups):
AFRICA -
Rwanda - ALIR;
Sierra Leone - RUF;
South Africa - PAGAD.
ASIA:
Cambodia - Khmer Rouge;
Georgia - Zviadists;
India - Sikh Terrorism Group;
Japan - Japanese Red Army, Chukaku-Ha, Aum Shinrikyo;
Philippines - CPP, AB Brigade, NPA;
Russia - Zviadists;
Sri Lanka - LTTE.
EUROPE:
Germany - RAF;
Greece - 17 November, ELA;
Italy - Red Brigades (BR -PCC, BR- UCC);
Spain - ETA, GRAPO;
Turkey - DHKP/C;
UK/NorthernIreland-Ireland/Irish Republic - IRA, CIRA, LUF, OU, Real IRA.
South and Central America -
Bolivia - EGTK, ELN;
Chile - FPRM, Lautano Youth;
Colombia - FARC, AUC, ELN;
Ecuador - Puka Inti;
Honduras - FPM;
Peru - Sendero Luminoso, Tupac Amaru.
The Israeli Kach and Kahane Chai group could be added to the list if youīd like. One could extend the ban to US citizens too if the untra right/fanatic militia groups which welcome people like Timothy Mc.Veigh fit into your classification...
The flourishing of simpleton visions and judgements dividing the world between "us" and "they" is precisely one of the goals of terrorists and one of the foundamentalist groupsī indoctrinating methods.
More than ever itīs time for us to see the many shades of grey, instead of just black and white. And Iīm not even talking of colours...
Sources:
The Counter-Terrorism Page:
http://www.terrorism.net/groups/
Dudley Knox Library
Naval Postgraduate School:
http://web.nps.navy.mil/~library/tgp/tgp2.htm
Hugs to all.
You probably didnīt think twice before saying "a ban of passport holders from terrorist contries" (such as the Chinese has imposed) would in my opinion be appropriate.".
Your idea, put in practice, would get a good deal of humanity grounded. Even excluding the middle eastern islamic terror groups, here are some examples of countries whose citizens would have visas denied (and their active terrorist groups):
AFRICA -
Rwanda - ALIR;
Sierra Leone - RUF;
South Africa - PAGAD.
ASIA:
Cambodia - Khmer Rouge;
Georgia - Zviadists;
India - Sikh Terrorism Group;
Japan - Japanese Red Army, Chukaku-Ha, Aum Shinrikyo;
Philippines - CPP, AB Brigade, NPA;
Russia - Zviadists;
Sri Lanka - LTTE.
EUROPE:
Germany - RAF;
Greece - 17 November, ELA;
Italy - Red Brigades (BR -PCC, BR- UCC);
Spain - ETA, GRAPO;
Turkey - DHKP/C;
UK/NorthernIreland-Ireland/Irish Republic - IRA, CIRA, LUF, OU, Real IRA.
South and Central America -
Bolivia - EGTK, ELN;
Chile - FPRM, Lautano Youth;
Colombia - FARC, AUC, ELN;
Ecuador - Puka Inti;
Honduras - FPM;
Peru - Sendero Luminoso, Tupac Amaru.
The Israeli Kach and Kahane Chai group could be added to the list if youīd like. One could extend the ban to US citizens too if the untra right/fanatic militia groups which welcome people like Timothy Mc.Veigh fit into your classification...
The flourishing of simpleton visions and judgements dividing the world between "us" and "they" is precisely one of the goals of terrorists and one of the foundamentalist groupsī indoctrinating methods.
More than ever itīs time for us to see the many shades of grey, instead of just black and white. And Iīm not even talking of colours...
Sources:
The Counter-Terrorism Page:
http://www.terrorism.net/groups/
Dudley Knox Library
Naval Postgraduate School:
http://web.nps.navy.mil/~library/tgp/tgp2.htm
Hugs to all.
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Thank God itīs not on their agenda. Iīm sure, and I hope you agree, that propositions like the one you expressed are not the proper way to deal with the issue.
Letīs move a step forward...
Letīs hear some suggestions...
Anyone?
Letīs move a step forward...
Letīs hear some suggestions...
Anyone?
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The reason for the limited 'ban' appears to be the bolstered security measures for the upcoming meeting of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation Council.
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Two thumbs up for the chinese !!
These people represent a threat, the only way to assure safety is not let anyone of them on the airplane. This industry can survive quite nicely without their ticket purchase.
These people represent a threat, the only way to assure safety is not let anyone of them on the airplane. This industry can survive quite nicely without their ticket purchase.
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PositionReport.
At present there are around 1.2 BILLION Moslems in the world, do you intend to introduce an apartheid system that affects all of them, or just the dark skinned ones from the Middle East?
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At present there are around 1.2 BILLION Moslems in the world, do you intend to introduce an apartheid system that affects all of them, or just the dark skinned ones from the Middle East?
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Position report,
Your post is simply disgusting. I am not surprised you just "checked in" in October on Pprune. You prefer to hide to spit your ideas.
Atleast, Oussama Bin laden is showing his face now.
And I am sure that wise people will not confuse this man with all the muslims
Your post is simply disgusting. I am not surprised you just "checked in" in October on Pprune. You prefer to hide to spit your ideas.
Atleast, Oussama Bin laden is showing his face now.
And I am sure that wise people will not confuse this man with all the muslims
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Excuse me?
So it is disgusting that I support the airlines taking precautions to save innocent lives?
These people have a long history of hatred in their blood, I personally would not feel comfortable with them on board !! and the government of a country with 1.3 billion people feel the same.
Having a lose attitude like some of you are EXACTLY the reason we were caught off guard. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, THIS AIN'T HAPPY LAND !!!
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So it is disgusting that I support the airlines taking precautions to save innocent lives?
These people have a long history of hatred in their blood, I personally would not feel comfortable with them on board !! and the government of a country with 1.3 billion people feel the same.
Having a lose attitude like some of you are EXACTLY the reason we were caught off guard. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, THIS AIN'T HAPPY LAND !!!
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Your proposition of banning some nationalities from the Arab world would achieve what the terrorists such as Osama bin Laden want, a clash of civilazations. The solution here with all due respect is not go back to tha dark ages of descrimination, but use our combined efforts to fight this evil. The vast majority of Muslems do not identify with Bin Laden, he is not voicing their beliefes and in fact they see him as a discrace to their religion which promotes peace and love. The lesson here is that the cloak of religion is a very powerful tool to fanatisize individuals. Humanity must stand up to this threat and not allow it to devide us but use it to unite the world to erradicate it.
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I personally would not like to see a group of middle eastern men/people boarding and would probably feel happier delaying flight to check identities again to make sure. This however could be considered racist.Better a live coward than a dead hero though.