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Just received the new look Flight today, Dunnunda.
I think I liked the old look better, a lot of the layout inside, and also the cover, remind me more of all those American magazines.
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I think I liked the old look better, a lot of the layout inside, and also the cover, remind me more of all those American magazines.
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Just in passing, Yes I have managed to get two jobs from the "sitvac" columns of FI however like most people I can't be bothered with reading uninteresting articles.
Several years ago I spotted that my then current employer was going to be doing something quite extraordinary in the Airline business.
I asked my Chief Pilot about the subject and he said "Oh that - no we are not doing that - FI rang up for some news and we told them that, to get them off our backs"
I wonder if its the same nowadays.
Several years ago I spotted that my then current employer was going to be doing something quite extraordinary in the Airline business.
I asked my Chief Pilot about the subject and he said "Oh that - no we are not doing that - FI rang up for some news and we told them that, to get them off our backs"
I wonder if its the same nowadays.
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How to identify the person reading FI -
Wannabe - Starts at the front & reads it all, beliving every word.
Newcomer - starts at the front, scans the articles for anything interesting, looks at the back & then is ready ask somebody else if it's true.
Total Aviation Person - Starts at the back (Sit. Vac.), looks to se if Uncle Roger is there & then flicks the pages to the front.
Anybody got any more??
Oh, & yes, I did once get a job through FI, but that was in 1900 & frozen solid!
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Wannabe - Starts at the front & reads it all, beliving every word.
Newcomer - starts at the front, scans the articles for anything interesting, looks at the back & then is ready ask somebody else if it's true.
Total Aviation Person - Starts at the back (Sit. Vac.), looks to se if Uncle Roger is there & then flicks the pages to the front.
Anybody got any more??
Oh, & yes, I did once get a job through FI, but that was in 1900 & frozen solid!
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Must be something in the air, all these re-designs: RAW did it last month Fright did it this week and Rimmer News is doing it next week. Mind you I agree that the 'new' Fright does look a bit Aviation Leaky still there you go each to his one. BTW Congrats to Murdo and Algy Or should we say Your grand impirial Algy-ness...Whatever, whatever and all that good stuff...
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I pick it up at the news stand, read the job adverts, and only buy it if there's a job that I'd be interested in sending my CV to. It's sad really, as it was "the" aviation magazine, for many many years.
Regards to all, Max
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Regards to all, Max
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I have to agree that with very few exceptions in even fewer nubers, Flight is a very very boring magazine to read. I remeber when they used to test exotic types using correct terminology and had nice pictures.
Oh would I wait for a copy to show up. I think I have most of the numbers from about 1975 to about 1988. Since that I buy it occasionally.
I donīt really like the layout anymore I actually hate all the so called EXPERTS that contribute to the magazine. This brings to my mind issue about 3 weeks ago that had progress report about B737-900. Remember that?
Well have a look at the explanation on Vmcg and Vmca... Minimum control air and minimum control air as far as I know.
A good magazine with long history and lotīs of traditions ruined by bad journalism, apparent bad managerial tactics and even worse price / quality relation.
If they want to get this magazine bag to its formet glory they need to start by firing starting from the bozos that are in charge now. Some new blood needed ?
JJ
Oh would I wait for a copy to show up. I think I have most of the numbers from about 1975 to about 1988. Since that I buy it occasionally.
I donīt really like the layout anymore I actually hate all the so called EXPERTS that contribute to the magazine. This brings to my mind issue about 3 weeks ago that had progress report about B737-900. Remember that?
Well have a look at the explanation on Vmcg and Vmca... Minimum control air and minimum control air as far as I know.
A good magazine with long history and lotīs of traditions ruined by bad journalism, apparent bad managerial tactics and even worse price / quality relation.
If they want to get this magazine bag to its formet glory they need to start by firing starting from the bozos that are in charge now. Some new blood needed ?
JJ
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In my ever so humble and insignificant opinion as a wannabe (GOD I feel such a fraud 
) I think that flight is basically, to me, a boring newspaper-like mag, with only real good Classifieds to redeem it. One of the best out there is Flying. It's nice and personal, even if it is US-based (well, that's where I want to fly someday, either that or bush flying) and the last issue I got was back in Jan (i live ages from anywhere with a big 'nuff newsagents ) And another is Aircraft Illustrated. Nice layout, Captain Plummet's a hoot, and the great and insightful Peter Prune's Problem Page (try saying that without spitting! 
) Haven't read it since xmas tho, so could've changed. Today's pilot is good too!
All in all, good substitutes for Flight. Only for the suits, desk-fliers and stock-jockeys, I say!
) I think that flight is basically, to me, a boring newspaper-like mag, with only real good Classifieds to redeem it. One of the best out there is Flying. It's nice and personal, even if it is US-based (well, that's where I want to fly someday, either that or bush flying) and the last issue I got was back in Jan (i live ages from anywhere with a big 'nuff newsagents ) And another is Aircraft Illustrated. Nice layout, Captain Plummet's a hoot, and the great and insightful Peter Prune's Problem Page (try saying that without spitting! ) Haven't read it since xmas tho, so could've changed. Today's pilot is good too!All in all, good substitutes for Flight. Only for the suits, desk-fliers and stock-jockeys, I say!
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The new improved version arrived today. Don't want to be negative for the sake of it cos the sonic cruiser article was interesting but....
the content is still incredibly dull when compared with other aviation magazines.
Trying to be too many things to too many people.
Let Jeremy Clarkson run it. That should be fun!
the content is still incredibly dull when compared with other aviation magazines.
Trying to be too many things to too many people.
Let Jeremy Clarkson run it. That should be fun!
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Gotta agree with most comments about FI.
I subscribed for near on 15 years, let my subs run out at the end of last year.
What completly bores me no end is
1. Mil sim directory
2. missile directory
3. Helicopter directory
4. Space Flt
5. World Airforce directory
the list goes on.
What I WANT to read about is current and topical news relating to civil aviation, Test flight and info on commercial a/c, biz a/c.
Airline information and news and of course job info.
Uncle Roger is good for the balance he brings to the mag
I subscribed for near on 15 years, let my subs run out at the end of last year.
What completly bores me no end is
1. Mil sim directory
2. missile directory
3. Helicopter directory
4. Space Flt
5. World Airforce directory
the list goes on.
What I WANT to read about is current and topical news relating to civil aviation, Test flight and info on commercial a/c, biz a/c.
Airline information and news and of course job info.
Uncle Roger is good for the balance he brings to the mag
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It beats me why anyone would want to subscribe to Flight, when the only worthy bits (Jobs and Uncle Roger) can be scanned and absorbed in the newsagents, (except when they put it in a plastic bag like this week).
Has anyone ever known their employer remove certain job adverts from the sttion copy before letting the troops get hold of it? I now of at least one Atco employer who has done this fowl deed!
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Has anyone ever known their employer remove certain job adverts from the sttion copy before letting the troops get hold of it? I now of at least one Atco employer who has done this fowl deed!
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It wasn't me.
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I let my subscription lapse 4 or five years ago because:
1. I already had a job.
2. I discovered that new customers were being offered subscriptions for much less than I was expected to pay as an existing customer.
3. The magazine had become so boring to read. I have no absolutely interest in an airline directory or any other directory on missiles etc. Is anyone interested in such matters?
These days I skag a look at the jobs page when I'm pi$$ed off at work. Sad to say I still find the rest of it (more often than not) really, badly, boring. They have totally lost the plot as far as I am concerned.
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1. I already had a job.
2. I discovered that new customers were being offered subscriptions for much less than I was expected to pay as an existing customer.
3. The magazine had become so boring to read. I have no absolutely interest in an airline directory or any other directory on missiles etc. Is anyone interested in such matters?
These days I skag a look at the jobs page when I'm pi$$ed off at work. Sad to say I still find the rest of it (more often than not) really, badly, boring. They have totally lost the plot as far as I am concerned.
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Although I quite enjoy FI, I have also let my membership lapse about a year ago and buy it only whenever I feel really like it. I agree with faheel. Directories are a continuous bore !!!
-When are we going to get a Dircetory of directories ???
-What about when FI adds a calendar as well, and charge you for it ?
-Shytorque says as well "I discovered that new customers were being offered subscriptions for much less than I was expected to pay as an existing customer."
Couldn't agree more.
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-When are we going to get a Dircetory of directories ???
-What about when FI adds a calendar as well, and charge you for it ?
-Shytorque says as well "I discovered that new customers were being offered subscriptions for much less than I was expected to pay as an existing customer."
Couldn't agree more.
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Faheel.....
I got a job out of FI once, and I suspect we ended up working for the same company, but I still subscribe and still ALWAYS read it from the back like most of us do.
However, I agree with a lot of what is being said. What possible interest is Military Pilotless Aircraft to most of us.??
Or the Sim directory.?? We (Or at least I)
buy it for industry comment, and it is getting less and less these days.
I know that David Learmount is a regular peruser of this Forum and a contributor too.
I hope he will be taking the comments of those at the "Sharp end" of the business to his Editor and Publisher.
I got a job out of FI once, and I suspect we ended up working for the same company, but I still subscribe and still ALWAYS read it from the back like most of us do.
However, I agree with a lot of what is being said. What possible interest is Military Pilotless Aircraft to most of us.??
Or the Sim directory.?? We (Or at least I)
buy it for industry comment, and it is getting less and less these days.
I know that David Learmount is a regular peruser of this Forum and a contributor too.
I hope he will be taking the comments of those at the "Sharp end" of the business to his Editor and Publisher.
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What the hell is wrong with all of you?
Its a fab read with its finger firmly on the pulse of Aviation. I bet you all eat your words when you see next months Worldwide directory of Aircraft Rivets and washers. Thats me sold, Im going out to renew my elapsed subscription
Agree with all the above posts...it really has gone downhill big time.
Its a fab read with its finger firmly on the pulse of Aviation. I bet you all eat your words when you see next months Worldwide directory of Aircraft Rivets and washers. Thats me sold, Im going out to renew my elapsed subscription
Agree with all the above posts...it really has gone downhill big time.
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In defence of colleagues up at the Sutton Lubiyanka, Let me aquint you with the harsh realities of running mags. Fact: the majority of a mags revenue comes from ad sales and as a result stuff that will help sell ads tends to get included in the editorial plan. As a journo you may hate putting directories together (I hate it personally tres tres boring) but unfortunatly a) a lot of people find 'em useful and b) advertisers love 'em. To give you an example, In last months Rimmer news there I did an article about Wideroe operations - which was great fun to research - blatting around arctic Norway and, I suspect pretty interesting to read from a flt ops point of view judging by some of the comments I've had since it came out. On the other hand this month we've got a thing on aircraft residual values and lease rates which wasn't nearly as much fun to do but will appeal to an entirely dirrerent sector of our readership. Basically you can't please all the people all the time. Ok you might not find Missle or Maintenance directories terribly interesting but there are those that do. Finally, ref the old chestnut "Fright isn't as good as it used to be" I've got news, like Punch it never was.
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A little balance please folks. Although not as interesting as Practical Classics or Razzle, Flight does still have it's place. As a former RAF pilot I would like to remind you that there are a great number of military pilots who read/subscribe to Flight and some of the directories are aimed at them (even if just to make them think "why has air force X got such good kit when ours is such crap").
The ad sales pay the majority of the costs and a s Ace says you have to appease the advertisers (look at the percentage advertising content in the average newspaper or car mag). This is not an excuse for the rather less-than-interesting nature of some of the articles (Spaceflight for example - will any of us get a transfer to the Shuttle in the near future?).
I got my current and previous job fromj adverts in flight (and applied for, was offered, but ultimately turned down 3 others as well) and in my view it is still the best place for European aviators to find jobs advertised. The World Airline Directory also gives the addresses to cold send your CV's, don't forget!
I'm not keen on the new layout (too much like Avioation Weekly - but at least not printed on toilet paper) but give it a chance to develope, it's only the first week. How good were you folks on "Straight and Level 1" when learning to fly!
Message to the publishers - try to liven up the journalism. Look at Autoexpress/Practical Classics for examples on how to impart information and keep the reader awake.
The ad sales pay the majority of the costs and a s Ace says you have to appease the advertisers (look at the percentage advertising content in the average newspaper or car mag). This is not an excuse for the rather less-than-interesting nature of some of the articles (Spaceflight for example - will any of us get a transfer to the Shuttle in the near future?).
I got my current and previous job fromj adverts in flight (and applied for, was offered, but ultimately turned down 3 others as well) and in my view it is still the best place for European aviators to find jobs advertised. The World Airline Directory also gives the addresses to cold send your CV's, don't forget!
I'm not keen on the new layout (too much like Avioation Weekly - but at least not printed on toilet paper) but give it a chance to develope, it's only the first week. How good were you folks on "Straight and Level 1" when learning to fly!
Message to the publishers - try to liven up the journalism. Look at Autoexpress/Practical Classics for examples on how to impart information and keep the reader awake.
