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Originally Posted by Og1
(Post 12096815)
Assuming the graphic is correct, ZJ119 was c/s Sword2, as Ammo Boiler points out. ZJ131 was c/s Sword1. The accident site is just over 900ft amsl. The posted graphic (if correct) would appear to show Sword2 orbiting the accident site.
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The graphic IMHO is not correct. Sword 2 was out in the area for quite some time and tracked pretty well on the ADSB type sites. Often stopping and orbiting in various locations. Coastguard AW139 was also tracking well and went to a location just north west of Sourton Down .
Unconfirmed eyewitness reports suggest there was fire before impact. |
I don’t think you can put much store in the “ witnesses “. Various reports of the aircraft “ mechanically failing “ but I’m not sure in the cacophony of a very low flying Merlin you’d be able to tell if you weren’t qualified
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Do military helicopters carry a black box?
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The Merlin Mk4 was fitted with a replacement FDR during MLSP so hopefully the cause of the incident can be determined once it has been recovered from the crash site and the data extracted.
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RIP to the crew, just doing their job, under training orders.
Though we don't know what happened on the lead up to it, or if they had to deviate from their course due for anything. I was unsure what type of Heli it was, so I googled it. WOW, I DID NOT REALISE HOW BIG A MACHINE IT IS!!!! https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7ae81ab886.png AW101 Merlin MK4/4A https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5c33e804e3.png |
The Daily Mail has indicated the probable identity of one of the deceased, without actually naming them by the headline on its web-site.
Naturally my comments on this, raising why gender is relevant, has been removed, Such a nice way to find out. RIP to all the crew and condolences to the families, friends and CHF. |
Lt Cmdr Chris Gayson, 42, Lt Lily-Mae Fisher, 31, and Petty Officer Owen Green, 24 formally confirmed by the MoD.
RIP and condolences to all of their families, friends and colleagues. |
As a Junglie, it is perhaps fortunate that only the crew were involved in this tragedy. Blu skies Ma'am, Gentlemen.
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A sad day for everyone involved in military aviation.
Fair winds and following seas. I’ll raise a tot to you all tonight. |
Crash scene looks very similar to Puma XW203 that crashed at Beacon Hill south of Newbury on 14 Nov 74. I was the engineer on the BOQ and we never came up with a cause. I heard years later that Boscombe Down came up with a theory of an airflow interaction between main and tail rotor causing loss of control.
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RIP and condolences to all of their families, friends and colleagues. John , we'll raise a glass as well .
''A sad day for everyone involved in military aviation.'' Sadly not just Military , from 2 civilian aviator families , 1 kid from each followed .. 1 Mil. 1 Civi . Both and another sibling were at primary school with Lily-Mae and have been cheering her on ever since . rgds condor . |
The BBC is reporting that Lt Fisher was due to be awarded her wings in June and this flight was her final assessment - along with her beefer and crewman. How very sad.
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Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 12097413)
Posted a week ago on her LI profile - very poignant
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Originally Posted by Ewan Whosearmy
(Post 12097479)
I don't think that is the endorsement you think it is. Sorry, but it's probably best to delete that.
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Originally Posted by spangzilla
(Post 12097462)
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Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 12096753)
That wasn’t a crash - that was a controlled forced landing followed by consumption by post landing fire (that started before landing)
Not so lucky this time. RIP |
Originally Posted by splodge
(Post 12097656)
I flew over the 61 in Poole the day after. Very similar except that it hadn’t rolled over. Perfectly landed in the centre of a football pitch with just the tips of blades and the tail remaining. Ash pile in the middle. This looks very similar. Fire in flight. All got out alive in 2002.
Not so lucky this time. RIP |
When I first saw pictures of the site, my mind went to Tilton on the Hill, May 1999.
Always in my thoughts. https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/64952 |
Some of the initial posts here mentioned 3 fatalities and one injured.
No mention of a survivor since. Was the information in the initial posts in error and there were just the 3 crew aboard? RIP. |
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Originally Posted by albatross
(Post 12097871)
Some of the initial posts here mentioned 3 fatalities and one injured.
No mention of a survivor since. Was the information in the initial posts in error and there were just the 3 crew aboard? RIP. |
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