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Originally Posted by Jhieminga
(Post 12086734)
That is an interesting HF case actually. What is the normal way that this is supposed to work? What is the system (the warning) designed to warn against? We all know the answer to that second question, but it helps to set it out in detail. Once crews have to work around built-in safeguards or warnings, something has gone wrong in the design.
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Regardless of the multitude of audio and visual warnings - a positive, from memory, check of gear and brakes is essential, and both pilots in a multi crew scenario should be doing it.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 12086990)
Regardless of the multitude of audio and visual warnings - a positive, from memory, check of gear and brakes is essential, and both pilots in a multi crew scenario should be doing it.
Being an ex fixed wing taildragger guy some helicopter folks commented when I pumped the brakes during the pre-landing checks when landing on a runway to verify brake pressure. ( pressure up and equal ) One TRI instructed me to stop doing that as it was not SOP. We had a discussion about why I did it when we debriefed back on the ground …he never mentioned it again. |
.very early 76 daze many years ago 2 Training Capts had a similar event in Australia. Disabled the gear warning while practicing something…then wandered back to the airport, shot an approach to land. Can’t recall if they touched down or just broke some antennas |
Originally Posted by albatross
(Post 12086757)
Not the first time….very early 76 daze many years ago 2 Training Capts had a similar event in Australia. Disabled the gear warning while practicing something…then wandered back to the airport, shot an approach to land. Can’t recall if they touched down or just broke some antennas.
Could happen to any of us, (except Bell drivers) it only takes a moment of inattention. |
Originally Posted by Nescafe
(Post 12087827)
Not quite the way I heard it. A trainer was doing an OPC. He failed the engine, and expecting a continued takeoff he raised the gear. The candidate, with plenty of tarmac ahead decided to reject and they skidded down the runway on the belly.
Could happen to any of us, (except Bell drivers) it only takes a moment of inattention. |
One of those things that can happen to anybody, the worlds highest houred 747 Captain came extremely close to doing same, and that was with every member of the cockpit crew being C & T. https://avweb.com/features/pelicans-...ding-in-a-747/ I can’t help but wonder what it would be like to be the only man in history to ever belly-land a perfectly good 747. When I think about it, I keep getting that funny feeling, kinda like standing on the edge of the Grand Canyon, back before they built all the protective fences. It’s not a nice feeling, either way.Be careful, up there! |
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 12087959)
Yes, exactly that. I know both individuals
Sent you a PM. |
Once made an intentionaal gear up landing with a 76, well nose wheel up that is. Arrived home base and put gear down only to get the mains locked and green. Few recycles with no joy, a fly by of the tower showed mains down, nose wheel retracted with doors closed. Landed with the nose sitting on a pile of sand bags. Cause was the oleo didn't extend on the previous take off with the result the scissors jammed up against the hydraulic jack and bent the actuating rod protuding from the piston.
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Revs, Gear, Brakes.
After every take-off, before every landing. |
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 12085721)
I think most people do, although when I had a quick search I see that Bristow in Netherlands seems to have non-standard SOPs!
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e996d5bfa3.png https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9947de76b1.png So how do you mitigate landing with the gear up if the warning is gone? Well if you use procedures built on the "three safety nets" you might have a better chance. 1. Aircraft systems (AWG, EGPWS) 2. Checklists 3. Callouts (SOP When PF calls "commited or landing" , PM check and respond "gear is down") ...then you have a better chance to catch it even with two of the safety nets failing...as it seams have happened here... |
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