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R44 down Doncaster ??
Rumours of R44 G-CFNF down near Bentley in Doncaster this morning. Hope occupants are ok.
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About 2km from where i am right now, was in the car and shopping in the immediate area from 0830 until about 10am, heard nothing pass overhead.
My adsb trackers (FR24 & FlightAware) almost certainly saw it. FR24 playback shows it was at 1200 ish ft from Gamston with some course changes over the lakeside area then down to 500ft just as it cleared the town centre. Air ambulance attended and left but not to any hospital after about 45 mins Flat open ground around there so fingers crossed for the occupants |
Daily Telegraph reporting a 70 year old pilot deceased unfortunately. RIP.
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Sadly the BBC are reporting a 70 year old man has died whilst the pilot (41 year old male) and two passengers (58 year old femal and a 10 year old boy) have recieved minor injuries only. A very sad incident and my thoughts go to the families of all involved.
I have less than 8 posts so someone else will have to post the BCC link to the story. |
Just announced that a 70 year old man died in the incident. The pilot and 2 other pax survived. RIP.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx203g3j416o |
Originally Posted by reggylater
(Post 11979660)
Daily Telegraph reporting a 70 year old pilot deceased unfortunately. RIP.
Reporting more people on board are walking wounded with minor injuries. |
It seemed to fly over Docaster around 500-1,000 feet AGL a few mins before it went down, so possibly broke the 1,000 foot SERA rule about flying over built up areas.
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11979667)
It seemed to fly over Docaster around 500-1,000 feet AGL a few mins before it went down, so very possibly broke the 1,000 foot SERA rule about flying over built up areas.
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Flightaware
Flightradar ADSB Exchange |
Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11979671)
Flightaware
Flightradar ADSB Exchange |
I've found it pretty accurate, but I guess it depends on the kit in the aircraft
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Heights in particular - what pressures have been used? When I look at ADSB they don't seem to be below 1000ft
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At the risk of thread drift, and this is pure armchair/keyboard educated guessing
If you take the altitudes from those three sites and adjust for 30 feet per milibar difference from 1013, that gives you a pretty accurate picture of what Altitude above AMSL an aircraft was flying. eg if the sites say the "barometric alt" was 1,200 and local QNH on the day was 1006 mb... 1013 minus 1006 = 7 mb 7 x 30 feet = 210 feet 1,200 minus 210 = equals Aircraft was 990 feet AMSL Elevation of Northern Doncaster is about 70 ft AMSL 900 minus 70 = 930 AGL The average two storey builiding is 20 feet high 930 minus 20 = 910 feet ------- SERA 5005:(f) Except when necessary for take-off or landing, or except by permission from the competent authority, a VFR flight shall not be flown: (1) over the congested areas of cities, towns or settlements or over an open-air assembly of persons at a height less than 300 m (1000 ft) above the highest obstacle within a radius of 600 m from the aircraft; |
Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11979699)
At the risk of thread drift, and this is pure armchair/keyboard educated guessing
If you take the altitudes from those three sites and adjust for 30 feet per milibar difference from 1013, that gives you a pretty accurate picture of what Altitude above AMSL an aircraft was flying. eg if the sites say the "barometric alt" was 1,200 and local QNH on the day was 1006 mb... 1013 minus 1006 = 7 mb 7 x 30 feet = 210 feet 1,200 minus 210 = equals Aircraft was 990 feet AMSL Elevation of Northern Doncaster is about 70 ft AMSL 900 minus 70 = 930 AGL The average two storey builiding is 20 feet high 930 minus 20 = 910 feet ------- SERA 5005:(f) Except when necessary for take-off or landing, or except by permission from the competent authority, a VFR flight shall not be flown: (1) over the congested areas of cities, towns or settlements or over an open-air assembly of persons at a height less than 300 m (1000 ft) above the highest obstacle within a radius of 600 m from the aircraft; |
Of course the adsb etc heights are another subject raised by M100S2 and condolences to all involved in this incident.
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At first glance, if this was indeed an engine failure, as reported in HeliHenry’s post, it looks like the pilot did a good job. From the overhead video footage of the crash site, there are plenty of powerlines to contend with. There’s no evidence that I can see of significant forward motion at touchdown and the skids look substantially intact meaning a controlled rate of descent. I wonder if there was some yaw at touch down, or entanglement in the adjacent wire fence causing the roll-over?
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And if indeed it is an engine failure I hope they pay particular attention to the FPRV after the NZ engine failure incident. As it’s a second life (or more) machine, if the FPRV hasn’t been renewed you are potentially a test pilot.
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I agree jelly it looks like the pilot has done well, my question is the skids are intact it looks highly surviveable so the fatality confuses me. I dare speculate if it was a medical episode prior to the crash?
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