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Cornish Jack 17th June 2025 08:30


Originally Posted by Chock Puller (Post 11903901)
Next thing you know 212Man shall attempt to convince us it was all done on purpose and not merely because the AFCS kicked off.:rolleyes:

Helicopters tend to accelerate rather quickly when pointing straight down like something akin to dropping a set of streamlined car keys.

Ever peg the VSI?

Don't have the numbers, but a Boscombe Gazelle on winter trials in Canada in the 70s managed some very high numbers and an unplanned conclusion. :sad:

212man 17th June 2025 08:42


Originally Posted by Chock Puller (Post 11903901)
Next thing you know 212Man shall attempt to convince us it was all done on purpose and not merely because the AFCS kicked off.:rolleyes:

Helicopters tend to accelerate rather quickly when pointing straight down like something akin to dropping a set of streamlined car keys.

Ever peg the VSI?

Drat - rumbled!

Yes, they do go downhill very quickly with even relatively modest pitch angles. I once hosted the senior design engineer for EGPWS from Honeywell, and we took him on a flight in the S-92. One purpose was to show how obstacle warnings could be a nuisance in a high density environment (lots of NUIs) but we also discussed the Mode 1 alerts and the (then) research into improving offshore modes. The Blackpool AS365 accident was still quite fresh in our minds and I tried to explain how quickly things could escalate. But, words can never replace experience so we carried out a series of dives from about 80 kts, with 5 degrees incremental increases in negative pitch. By 25 degrees he really got the message - I think we were hitting 5,000 ft/min in around 6 seconds!

Winnie 17th June 2025 13:42

hit 5000 feet down in an AS355F2... in an auto, it comes down like a greased manhole cover...

Nubian 17th June 2025 15:26


Originally Posted by Hangarless (Post 11903914)
I happened to witness the incident at Virginia as I was a guest of Starlight on the day. Hard to think it was 20 years ago.How time flies.

I have just been through the old thread and it all comes flooding back.Twenty years ago now. How time flies.

The 407 sat idle for several years in a hanger near ours as there was a huge scrap between tho two owners and their insurers that to the best of my knowledge was never resolved.

Sadly the pilot involved took his own life some years after the incident.


ZS-Romeo “Inverted” Bravo



helispotter 20th November 2025 01:46

To add to the collection of clips showing helicopters rolling and/or looping, this old footage was brought to my attention:

Sikorsky CH-53A conducting rolls and loops over Long Island Sound in a joint Naval Air Systems Command and Sikorsky trial in 1968:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1237402674817234

(I hope the Facebook link is retained)

finalchecksplease 20th November 2025 05:53

Wow, seeing a big helicopter like a CH53 doing this is impressive, thanks for sharing the link.
TEM must have not included "lets do this at an altitude where we have some margin, just in case"
(Starting the loop @ 1150ft and ending it @ 920ft)

Bravo73 20th November 2025 08:11


Originally Posted by helispotter (Post 11992427)
Sikorsky CH-53A conducting rolls and loops over Long Island Sound in a joint Naval Air Systems Command and Sikorsky trial in 1968:

Some interesting (and amusing) background to one of the pilots involved:

https://www.popasmoke.com/ed-creamer/rpg/


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