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Aicila2491 13th April 2025 16:40

World without Helicopters
 
Hey guys, just wanted to share a thought I had after the NY crash a few days ago. Do not get me wrong, I am currently a CPL H student and can not wait to get in the controls every time but I was wondering how a world without the invention of the helicopter would look like? Do you guys think it has brought more benefits than detriments?

Lonewolf_50 13th April 2025 16:55

Gee, Aicila2491, you ask a bunch of helicopter pilots that question.
What answer did you expect?

Of course it has brought more benefits than detriments! :ok:
The sheer number of soldiers lives saved via MEDEVAC over the past 60 years is but one data point.

You can ask Gordo about the benefits of doing power line work in the Western US.
Fire fighting in certain places. Logging in some places.
The fun sightseeing tour I took my family on in the Smokey Mountains a few decades ago.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.

trim it out 13th April 2025 17:56


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11866125)
Gee, Aicila2491, you ask a bunch of helicopter pilots that question.
What answer did you expect?

Of course it has brought more benefits than detriments! :ok:
The sheer number of soldiers lives saved via MEDEVAC over the past 60 years is but one data point.

You can ask Gordo about the benefits of doing power line work in the Western US.
Fire fighting in certain places. Logging in some places.
The fun sightseeing tour I took my family on in the Smokey Mountains a few decades ago.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.

All the above plus SAR, HADR, HEMS, O&G.

Bravo73 13th April 2025 18:33

I was once told that the helicopter is the only mode of transport that has helped to save more lives than it has taken.

I don’t have a reference to prove this but I’m sure that if you dig deep enough, you could find the statistics to validate this point.

Bell_ringer 13th April 2025 18:42

Who, when the proverbial has hit the fan, has ever looked for the number of an airline pilot. :E

wrench1 13th April 2025 19:03


Originally Posted by Aicila2491 (Post 11866111)
Hey guys, just wanted to share a thought I had after the NY crash a few days ago. Do not get me wrong, I am currently a CPL H student and can not wait to get in the controls every time but I was wondering how a world without the invention of the helicopter would look like? Do you guys think it has brought more benefits than detriments?

Just think how boring the development of the Air Mobile Concept and operating in the 11th Air Assault Division (Test) would have been without a helicopter.

Lonewolf_50 13th April 2025 19:13


Originally Posted by Bell_ringer (Post 11866183)
Who, when the proverbial has hit the fan, has ever looked for the number of an airline pilot. :E

Some management {censored} or a bean counter. :E

Ascend Charlie 13th April 2025 19:16

Power line inspection (before drones)
Power tower insertion by longline
Police ops
Inserting people into tight spots where they are needed
Oil rig work

EXDAC 13th April 2025 19:43


Originally Posted by Bravo73 (Post 11866176)
I was once told that the helicopter is the only mode of transport that has helped to save more lives than it has taken.

How does it compare to the horse?

Lonewolf_50 13th April 2025 19:47

Do you mean the Sea Stallion, EXDAC? :E
https://www.navair.navy.mil/sites/g/...?itok=ZoaWfBBThttps://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d388ae3c0e.jpg


Hangarless 13th April 2025 20:03


Do you guys think it has brought more benefits than detriments?
It was quite a good feeling knowing that we helped save some lives by getting them to a Hospital PDQ. Stopping firse from spreading also an example of good.

MechEngr 13th April 2025 20:27

Tough to say, but it was inevitable with the invention of the autogyro following the death of the inventor Juan de la Cierva's friend due to stalling a fixed wing**. Of course prior to that Leonardo daVinci had some ideas, but the autogyro was the first practical rotary wing.

I did see that helicopters played a huge role in turning the tide for the North Vietnamese who had been hassled by them for a long time, until a badly designed mission saw several of them shot down. The Viet Cong were emboldened by the victory over a machine they could not dream of operating and using only small arms fire. Had the US gone into Viet Nam without helicopters a very different attitude might have been taken, either ending the involvement sooner or getting a lot more people killed.

Overall a general plus for aviation, though when they fail they do so spectacularly and, sadly, too often with the loss of lives. More saved than lost - certainly, but saving lives doesn't make the news so often, so there is a bias in what the general population knows.

I do expect that drones will take / are taking a number of operations away from helicopters, mainly for SAR, forward observation, clearly for "kamikaze" attacks, news gathering, agricultural monitoring and pesticide application, land sales photography; mainly anything that does not require going 100 knots for an hour at a time or a need for care of someone on board or delivery of someone on board. Of the latter, the drones are coming closer. The big ag drones can carry 100kg and can apply materials on a square meter basis within centimeters of the desired position.

I still recall during one of the Mississippi floods where a riverboat got loose and the news copters were competing for a good view. The one that made it first got detailed video of the superstructure of the riverboat being peeled off as it was forced under a bridge. The one that got there second had only a distant view of the first one.

This competition would not happen with drones; they could be just a few feet from the action like a swarm of bees. They can also use FLIR to actually enter smoke plumes if necessary to see how fires are going - not a thing a manned helicopter can do.

**Google finds no reference to the death. Puzzling as I recall reading about that, but after 5 decades it may be the author of what I read was fact-checked and the origin was just an interest in rotating wings.

Hangarless 13th April 2025 20:34


and the news copters were competing for a good view.
Ah yes the Aerial Paparazzi ,always a good thing to keep handy.

Thud_and_Blunder 14th April 2025 14:30

Re the saving lives vs taking them 'thing' - ISTR the ex-SAR-heli pilot and UK company CEO, now the boss of an excellent Air Ambulance operation, trotting out that line as it was a particular favourite of his. He wasn't too pleased when one of his pilots, a relatively-recent ex-AAC Apache operator, added a comment along the lines of "but we were doing our best to catch up".

My take on the OP question is - I'm really grateful that they were invented, otherwise I'd have had to work for a living instead of being paid to do my hobby. Messrs Cierva, Sikorsky et al have my eternal gratitude.

Robbiee 14th April 2025 15:46


Originally Posted by Aicila2491 (Post 11866111)
Hey guys, just wanted to share a thought I had after the NY crash a few days ago. Do not get me wrong, I am currently a CPL H student and can not wait to get in the controls every time but I was wondering how a world without the invention of the helicopter would look like? Do you guys think it has brought more benefits than detriments?

The world would look less magical.

SASless 15th April 2025 11:48

Ever attend a gathering of old timers of the helicopter industry and listen to the many stories told and thought of what they are all about?

Some of the old Geezers with the long whiskers, livers that probably resemble Rugby Footballs due to the bowser loads of Beer they filtered, and some with the the scars, wounds, and injuries from when things did not go according to plan can spin some serious yarns.

They bring the human side of the equation to the fore and for neophytes it provides a great store of knowledge and experience.

Some of us have gone from early model Bell 47's, Hillers, even the odd Sycamore and early Sikorsky's to the latest and greatest fully tricked out aircraft of today.

Wars have been fought, rescues made, patients transported, wildfires fought, VIP's catered to, oil field workers shifted around, tourists flown, law enforced, and lost children found....all as a days work for the flight crews and the engineers.

We have lived in posh hotels, tents, even in the Bell or Boeing-Vertol Arms or just under the Stars....experienced storms, tornado's, hurricanes, and cyclones and the aftermath of them and even earthquakes.

Deer, Elk, and Moose have been pursued for research, terrorists hunted for real, and open air concerts and ball games protected.

Yes....helicopters have made a difference in many lives and in many ways and in each of us.

We are far better off for having them and the kinds of folks that make it happen every day.

You know you are doing something good and is appreciated when you arrive and it is nothing but upturned faces with huge smiles and happy faces on people who knew you would come in their time of great need.

I saw that from Infantry Soldiers on the ground in combat, survivors of earthquakes in Iran, injured persons at automobile accidents at home, and fighter pilots looking up as we winched them from places they really did not care to linger at. I know for sure of one US Sailor that benefited from a ride in the back of my aircraft after being grievously wounded and because of our timely presence and flying him to the nearest field hospital he lived and later sent me a very nice letter thanking me for what in reality was just an ordinary part of my work day but meant so much to him. As part of Grant-a-Wish programs for the terminally ill I have given sight seeing rides and being able to do so meant a lot to both the recipient....and to the giver. I would not have had those blessings had I not been a helicopter pilot and there not been the helicopter to provide the means. We can and do make a difference as we should whenever possible.

One recent example... volunteer helicopters responding to survivors of Hurricane Helene in Western North Carolina.

https://www.operationhelo.org

Nescafe 15th April 2025 21:19


Originally Posted by Bravo73 (Post 11866176)
I was once told that the helicopter is the only mode of transport that has helped to save more lives than it has taken.

I don’t have a reference to prove this but I’m sure that if you dig deep enough, you could find the statistics to validate this point.

Ambulance?

Mechta 15th April 2025 22:14

Apocalypse Now would have been a lot less memorable and they would have had nowhere to hang the speakers.

twinstar_ca 16th April 2025 00:56


Originally Posted by Nescafe (Post 11867608)
Ambulance?

Sounds like something Mr. S himself would have said...

albatross 16th April 2025 19:41

To badly paraphrase a famous line about the purpose of Cavalry Regiments
"Helicopters lend some class to what otherwise is a mere vulgar brawl"


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