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VH-92A will not provide full capabilities until 2030
WTAF is going on with this programme at the "new" Sikorsky under the ownership of Lockheed Martin? This is an outrageous failure to deliver at the never-ending expense of the taxpayer, and no-one seems to care, or be doing anything about it. I don't know what kind of team of idiots have been assembled to manage this organization but I would doubt that many of them have much in the way of real helicopter or rotary wing experience, but its sure to include a vast number of MBA's, finance experts, organizational managers, contracting specialists, and other assorted weasels. The exact same thing is going on with the Boeing VC-25B, and it makes you wonder if the US aviation industry retains any competency at all. There may be an equal level of uncontrolled mission demand from the customer, but instead of developing rational solutions and delivering the contracted product, the VH-3D (and VC-25A) continues in service for these missions. Both these programmes were in serious trouble when Trump was President four years ago, and it seems inconceivable that they are not resolved at this time, and won't even be resolved under the current plan when he leaves office. This should be a great opportunity for the Department of Government Efficiency to determine what is really going on, and make a real plan.
Despite claims of operational readiness of the VH-92A, President Biden departed the House in a VH-3D at the end of his term, and footage this morning showed President Trump preparing to depart in a VH-3D. The first President to actually fly in a VH-92A was President Biden to the Democratic convention in August last year. VH-92 Patriot Fully Taking Over Marine One Duties Has Slipped To End Of DecadeAfter major delays, the VH-92 is stepping into the Marine One role more fully, but total transition will come seven years later than planned.Joseph TrevithickUpdated 17 Hours Ago https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploa...jpg?quality=85 The U.S. Marine Corps transition to the VH-92A Patriot as its only helicopter for use in the “Marine One” role shuttling the president, vice president, their families, and their closest advisors at home and abroad, is still underway and now we know it won’t be done till 2030, at the earliest. That is seven years later than the last plan laid out for the VH-92’s ascendency. Aging VH-3Ds currently used for the mission are set to be retired completely next year. However, the service does expect to keep flying its VH-60Ns through at least 2030 because of their particular ability to operate in hot and/or high-altitude environments. The existing plan, which was disclosed in 2021, declared that the Marines would divested all of the VH-3Ds and VH-60Ns by 2023.https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploa...lity=85&w=1024One of HMX-1’s VH-60N helicopters. US ArmyNew information about the Marine Corps presidential helicopter fleets, all of which are assigned to Marine Helicopter Squadron One (HMX-1), are contained in a new Aviation Plan released today. https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploa...lity=85&w=1024A VH-3D assigned to HMX-1. USMCThe 2025 Aviation Plan does not say how many VH-3Ds or VH-60Ns are still currently in service. As of 2022, when the Corps put out its last public aviation plan, HMX-1 had 11 VH-3Ds and eight VH-60Ns. The U.S. Navy, in cooperation with the Marines, accepted the delivery of the 23rd and final VH-92 in August 2024. Former President Joe Biden became the first American head of state to fly on one of the Patriots that same month. https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploa...lity=85&w=1024Then President Joe Biden disembarks from a VH-92A in Chicago in August 2024, the first time one of the helicopters had been used in the Marine One role. BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/AFP via Getty Images“The U.S. Marine Corps declared initial operational capability for the VH-92A in December 2021 and HMX-1 began its introduction into operational missions in 2022 following White House commissioning events,” according to the 2025 Aviation Plan. “HMX-1 currently has 10 VH-92As to support mission tasking,” it adds. “Once fully transitioned and divested of legacy aircraft, HMX-1 will operate 16 VH-92As.” Two of the 23 VH-92As are known to be dedicated test aircraft. If HMX-1 is ultimately expected to operate just 16 of the helicopters, it is unclear what will happen to the remaining five airframes. TWZ has reached out to the Marine Corps for more information. Regardless, “HMX-1 is currently conducting an in-stride transition from legacy VH-3D and VH-60N aircraft to the VH-92A,” per the new aviation plan. “Both [the VH-3D and VH-60N] aircraft have been through a Service Life Extension Program and have sufficient hours to support the mission through full transition to the VH-92A. Aircraft will be retired as they reach airframe hours limits and as the VH-92A takes on more of the mission. VH-3D aircraft are anticipated to continue serving through 2026. Due to their unique capabilities in high/hot environments, the VH-60N aircraft are anticipated to continue serving through 2030 before being fully retired.” https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploa...lity=85&w=1024A VH-60N parked on the ground with a VH-92A flying in the background. USMC Very hot temperatures and/or high altitudes degrade the performance of helicopters, in general, potentially to a dangerous degree. Types that offer particularly good hot-and-high performance therefore provide clear advantages in those environments over ones that don’t. In line with this, VH-60Ns have been regularly seen over the years supporting presidential visits to relevant locales, including Afghanistan, Somalia, and even the Swiss Alps, among many others. The retention of at least a portion of the VH-60N fleet through 2030, specifically for its hot-and-high performance, does raise questions about whether the VH-92 will be able to sufficiently meet that need in the future if the new helicopters cannot adequately do so now. “No major upgrades are currently planned for either [the VH-3D or VH-60N] aircraft,” the 2025 Aviation Plan notes. “However, minor communications upgrades may be necessary to ensure the remaining legacy aircraft are operationally relevant until the squadron has completely transitioned to the VH-92A.” Communications systems issues were one of the hurdles the VH-92A itself had overcome on its long road to reaching operational service. Sikorsky won a rebooted competition to replace the VH-3D and VH-60N in 2014. That followed the cancellation of plans to acquire the Lockheed Martin VH-71 Kestrel, a derivative of the Anglo-Italian AW101 from AgustaWestland (since subsumed into Leonardo), due to delays and cost growth. Lockheed Martin has since acquired Sikorsky. https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploa...lity=85&w=1024The first VH-71 prototype seen arriving at Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland in 2005. USNOther issues beyond extremely reliable and secure communications, a critical requisite for the Marine One mission, held up the operational employment of the VH-92A. This notably included the helicopter’s exhaust system scorching the White House lawn. Whether changes have been made to the exhaust system to rectify or mitigate that particular problem is unclear. “The VCD [verification of correction of deficiencies] operational test conducted in FY24 found that 30 open deficiencies had been adequately corrected, 1 has been mitigated through changes to the standard operating procedures, and 1 is no longer applicable due to a WHMO [White House Military Office] policy change regarding the system design,” according to the most recent annual report on the VH-92 program from the Pentagon’s Office of the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E), which was released last Friday. DOT&E did not provide specific details about the deficiencies that were addressed. The course does now seem increasingly clear for the VH-92A to take over as Marine One. At the same time, while the VH-3Ds are now scheduled to head off into retirement next year, the VH-60Ns, with their hot-and-high capabilities, have years of service still ahead of them. 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Couldn't make this sh1t up. :ugh:
And you could have just 30 days to buy the remains of the VH-71s back before 25% is added. :E |
Even then it will reach full capability before Canada’s Cyclones.
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And the day after they announce full operational status Sikorsky will declare the 92 to be a legacy airframe and stop supporting it.
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Originally Posted by OvertHawk
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Sikorsky will declare the 92 to be a legacy airframe and stop supporting it.
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The Aviation Report referenced in this report.
Presidential Helicopter Plan VH-3D/VH-60N Marine Helicopter Squadron One’s (HMX-1) missions include worldwide transportation for the President of the United States and transportation within the National Capital Region for the Vice President of the United States, members of the President’s cabinet, and visiting heads of state. HMX-1 continues to conduct operational test and evaluation for rotary wing Presidential lift aircraft. HMX-1 is currently conducting an in-stride transition from legacy VH-3D and VH-60N aircraft to the VH-92A. The U.S. Marine Corps declared initial operational capability for the VH-92A in December 2021 and HMX-1 began its introduction into operational missions in 2022 following White House commissioning events. Both aircraft have been through a Service Life Extension Program and have sufficient hours to support the mission through full transition to the VH-92A. Aircraft will be retired as they reach airframe hours limits and as the VH-92A takes on more of the mission. VH-3D aircraft are anticipated to continue serving through 2026. Due to their unique capabilities in high/hot environments, the VH-60N aircraft are anticipated to continue serving through 2030 before being fully retired. No major upgrades are currently planned for either aircraft. However, minor communications upgrades may be necessary to ensure the remaining legacy aircraft are operationally relevant until the squadron has completely transitioned to the VH-92A. VH-92A HMX-1 is supporting assigned tasking according to the White House Military Office Transition Plan, which stipulates an event-driven, multi-phased approach to replace legacy aircraft with the VH-92A. HMX-1 currently has 10 VH-92As to support mission tasking Production is complete on the 23 aircraft POR and the Marine Corps accepted the final VH-92A in August 2024. Once fully transitioned and divested of legacy aircraft, HMX-1 will operate 16 VH-92As. Major investments in the VH-92A program include improving aircraft performance in high/hot environments and increasing available bandwidth in the aircraft through BLOS systems. |
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