Okay let's put this to rest. I looked up the date and timestamp for that picture since it was this website that posted it first https://eu.app.com/picture-gallery/n...r/76891229007/ The picture was taken on 12/8/24 between 8:33pm and 8:49pm. ADS-B exchange has that beautiful feature that lets you go back in time to look at traffic over an area. I did the work and looked at the traffic crossing Tom's River at that time and date and look what I found: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao...ace=2024-12-09

If you want to see for yourself just go to the ADS-B exchange website and look up time and date. Now I don't want to hear about any speculations about what this particular sighting was because I just did all the work for you.

Well done, Verticalspin, Stand by for accusations that you are an operative for “The Deep State” or some other nefarious organization implicit in the cover up. I luv the shocking news that the “drones” are operating near military sites. FGS ….you can’t drive to a 711 in the USA without passing close to a “military installation” or being under or , at least, near some special use “Military Airspace”.

Nice work. The only thing that seems slightly strange is the time range they mention for the photos, between 8:33pm and 8:49pm on the 8th. Assuming US Eastern Time, that would be 01:33Z to 01:49Z on the 9th. According to the track, that's about an hour after passing Toms River, and it would have been quite a distance away, around 35NM. At that distance, considering the altitude it was flying, it would barely be visible above the horizon for most of that time range. So either they were indeed taking photos at this extreme distance, or the time range they mention is not entirely accurate, maybe it's an hour earlier.

As a reminder, this activity started 1 month ago. The initial information (including Newsweek) also included reports that an NJSP AW139 followed the drones.

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Bullspit. I live here, in the US. You are completely full of it.
It's a big place.

Salute!

Considering the zillions of OPM thrown at folks to study the mating habits of tree frogs versus gorebull warming phenomena, I am thinking of a research grant for Verticle, Wolf and Gums to solve the drone terror! I can see it now- "Drone Busters!". Surely the feds could afford maybe a puny 100K for our personnel costs for three weeks and maybe another 100K for rental or purchase of technical gear like infrared cams and super digital SLR cameras. Maybe throw in a neat laptop or two.

We could camp out at several towers that have great local radar and have some aviation/rocket nerds from local schools to call in "sightings". Recording the FR24 and another tracker app, could regroup in the morning and correlate the data...you know, basic test engineering procedures and such.

Meanwhile one of us needs to get with the networks that keep showing videos of choppers and light planes and even some regional airliners with all their FAA lighting and such. GASP!

Gums proposes...

Texas....big? Not compared to Alaska.

We could split Alaska into two parts and make Texas the third largest State in the Union.

Lone you might recall some parts of the country are crowded by military bases, sites, ranges, airspace, and the like.

Advice from WY politicians
 

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/12...t-if-you-must/


We're not recommending anyone shoot down a drone. That's illegal in Wyoming. But if someone needed to, a shotgun would be the right weapon, gun experts say.

Salute!

I am against shooting down "drones" due to an unintended destruction of an authorized, licensed commercial vehicle being used for surveys, mapping, small area spraying, etc. However, 4 or so years ago we had a county that authorized shooting down drones. And after an incident or two it was found that a land mapping company was using a formation of drones to map/survey the area. Case closed and nobody got hurt and no expensive drones were lost.

This hysteria in the northeast is just that - hysteria! And I am pissed that some national media talk about drones the size of SUV's or even larger. Sheesh. Show me the footage and reference the object to something of a known size at the same distance before you assert the drone was huge. And while you're at it, show the correlation of the radar track from FR24 or whatever with the video with clear landmarks to ensure good correlation. For chrissakes, this is getting outta control, and years from now our kids and grandkids are gonna be laughing their asses off.

Meanwhile, call for a modest fee the Drone Busters. Just text Gums at 719-748-drone.

Gums sends...

SAS, I think Lonewolf was referring the entire country, not just Texas(which is pretty big!)

Comments by politicians/experts like this are highly irresponsible. People can’t even properly identify distance, size or type of object in the sky. Let’s maybe not encourage this type of behavior. Especially since the objects seen by people are not harming anyone. We’re not in an active combat zone like Ukraine/Russia.

Might want to read my post again, I was referring to the US, which includes the rest of the country who kindly joined Texas back in about 1845. :} (Yeah, the legal team forgot to read the fine print...).
And a great deal of the entire country isn't.
La verdad.

Sorry, I was being a sarcastic in my post as many media commentators and politicians have been babbling about drones being seen “Near Military Facilities ect. “ with no definition of what distance constitutes “near” or if the facility is in or under restricted airspace nor what the function of the facility is…”secret squirrel nuclear facility” or “Recruiting Post”. All in the interests of sensationalism and ratings. The funniest is the politician who has released “Drone Swarm Video” …turns out to be film of the constellation Orion!

Thanks, looks like I missed the tone in your post. Sorry about that. Next one will probably be a sighting of Uranus. :}

Here's a NOTAM for you:

About 22 minutes in Scott Manley gives us the low down on the UAPs etc.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/19/us/fa...sey/index.html

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has placed multiple drone flight restrictions over certain parts of New Jersey.

On Thursday, the agency announced restrictions largely aimed at limiting drone flights over power stations and infrastructure. The restrictions, which are limited to 400 feet of altitude, are strictly for drones and not civilian airplanes or helicopters.

At the request of federal security partners, the FAA published 22 Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFRs) prohibiting drone flights over critical New Jersey infrastructure,” the agency said in a statement.

The announcement comes as public officials have repeatedly said there is no threat to safety or national security with the increase in alleged drone sightings in the Northeast.

Among the power stations with flight restrictions are Cedar Grove Switching Station, Athenia Switching Station, Hudson Switching Station, PSE&G Kearny Switching Station, and Bayonne Switching Station.

The new tranche of airspace restrictions is the largest since the drone panic began about a month ago and will last until January 17. A pair of drone bans over Trump’s golf course in Bedminster and Picatinny Arsenal, US military research facility, have been in place since November 26.CNN has reached out to the Department of Homeland Security for comment.

Still not a single confirmed drone sighting. PSE & G must have some good connections to the Feds. We have a couple of huge oil refineries in Linden, NJ with multiple massive oil tanks. Strange you don’t see a UAS TFR over those…

public vs. private.

Salute!

I got the feeling that the authorities might be only designating restricted areas that have had the highest "sightings".

Still can't believe govment not putting a night vision equipped team where there have been a hundred "sightings". For this old man, too many sightings by basic non-aviators, yet pilots, air traffic folks, and astronomy amateurs have not commented. Too many of the videos show regular aircraft lighting and no "impossible" maneuvers.

We are witnessing a replay of the War of the Worlds radio broadcast scenario from last century. And I am disgusted by the "experts" that do not point out thousands of sightings that correlate with FR24 or control tower short range, high res radar plots. Whole thing is beyond my understanding.

Gums sends...

“the drone panic began about a month ago”
I think the operative word here is “PANIC”.
It would make sense for some in the government to want to “do something / anything” , in order to convince those doing the “Panicking” that the authorities are on the case.
Lacking access to both a convenient volcano and a willing virgin to leap into it to placate the Drone Gawds and those panicking the declaration of some flight restrictions over “vital infrastructure” may suffice to calm the traumatized panic stricken. The reasoning for the restrictions over the Bedminster Golf course is a bit of a reach…however there is no denying that the installation of a Patriot Battery on the practice green would be hilarious.

Now there’s a sight to see - a Patriot used to take out a drone!

Thanks to whoever pressured the FAA into publishing all these TFRs the NY helicopter chart is now completely covered in red circles. Unfortunately there’s no filter to get rid of the UAS TFR overlay on ForeFlight since they post it as a conventional TFR.

I admire how the FAA has acted as it fails completely to deal with the situation.

Fail 1: Assuming they are alien spacecraft or Iranian drones or distant stars, the TFR will not affect those flights at all.
Fail 2: If ordinary aircraft are reported as drones, those will continue to be reported as drones.

The only way (and quite unpleasant) to "fix" this is to prohibit all manned aircraft from overflying the area. This will leave only the little green men or the Iranian drones or distant stars as possible sightings. Presuming that aliens have not come to New Jersey and the Iranians don't have a secret, invisible mother ship floating in the Atlantic, the only feature remaining will be stars which have no red or green navigation lights on them.

So, yet again, the FAA has taken an approach that is an inconvenience to lawful drone operators and does nothing to tamp the confusion.

You offering a Resume' for the FAA's consideration?

Heh heh, SAS and Mech
sounds like the anti-gun folks that think a law will stop a mentally ill person from shooting people. The criminals that have guns are "criminals", Sheesh. So passing a law or publishing TFR will not prevent bad actors from moving along.

Gums sends...

For a shotgun to take a drone down, it pretty much has to hover close enough that you can see what it is. Beyond 150 feet, birdshot #7 or #9 is pretty much useless. Even using a tighter choke and larger shot, your odds of hitting anything is pretty low beyond 200 feet.

Wy is a gun state and kinda makes sense ref using a shotgun ie bird hunting. Unfortunately IMO we don’t have the smartest politicians

Maybe invite some Ukrainian soldiers for RR and to show us how it should be done.

Here in Portugal 99% of the people after some Starlink flares came to the media talkin bout Drones, UAVs, UFOs, Aliens, Martians...Its almost a SOP.

Add in a paper balloon lantern launch to the list of slow moving persistent "drones."

Total number of UAS TFRs over NY is now 67 with a majority of them covering NYC. The chart/sectional looks absolutely ridiculous if you don’t turn the TFR overlay off on any moving map app.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ef051c07f.jpeg

Welcome to Canada!!!! :}

I can empathize with that Santa!

Drones over Florida have made a swarm attack on the crowd gathered for their holiday light show.

So far the worst injured was a child with a cut upper lip, however the parents report the child will be getting heart surgery. I expect the need for surgery was discovered during the treatment for the lip injury and was not induced by the drone. If so, getting hit by the drone may have saved the child's life.


Update - the current claim is the falling drone hit the child hard enough to leave a dent in his chest and that impact was enough to damage the heart valve. That seriously sucks for everyone involved.

Hey....Actual Drones...actually video'd...and actually seized for forensic examination....real witnesses....now we are getting somewhere.

If someone was injured....does that contradict the Biden Administration informing us we are not at risk from the Drones?

"the drones" as in these drones or the misreported drones over New Jersey? Certainly drones in Ukraine are a danger to many.

This is the second event of this type recently. A drone show in China had a similar falling out of the sky about 2 weeks ago. That one did not have people under the drone swarm and, trust them or not, no injuries were reported.

In both cases only a subset of the drones appear to have lost the will to fly, so unlikely to be a broad attack on the navigation or communication link. It's possible there is a bug in the planning software or that someone has found a way to hack the swarm one drone at a time.

If we find the Drones that crashed were made in China....then what?

Then nothing, probably. Almost all small drones, sold by the literal millions, are made in China, including some used by Ukraine to make Russians less alive. The only notable operational problems I recall from before this is that some drones apparently initialized to recall the last place they were, which was somewhere in China, and would launch themselves in that direction with surprising and slightly damaging results - garage doors was a popular target from testing in the driveway. Plus it took a then quite expensive drone and broke a large bit of it.

The more likely culprit is a problem with the swarming software.

The main maker, DJI, has been very willing to follow the FAA required changes and will automatically download all the keep-out zones in the US, comply with the Remote ID requirements. They appear to understand the risk of being banned.

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Of course, Florida:

From https://dronedj.com/2024/12/16/shoot...ne-legal-fine/ the drone is reported to cost about $10,000.

edit - note correction in earlier post.

From one of the images showing a crashed drone, it matches the product of UVify, an American drone company with headquarters in Seattle, Washington, and also R&D and manufacturing in Korea. They have several models, but one that matches, with translucent upper and lower shells like the one that is shown crashed, can be seen at https://www.uvify.com/discover and on the product comparison page https://www.thedronegirl.com/2023/11...t-show-drones/

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