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bafanguy 12th May 2024 14:43

Hospital Helipads
 
Do hospital helipads have any form of navigation/approach guidance or are such operations strictly VMC ?

We have a big new ER facility about to open where they describe the 3 helipads as "...state of the art..." but I can't find out what that might mean.

I know nothing about helicopter flying.

212man 12th May 2024 15:55


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 11653875)
Do hospital helipads have any form of navigation/approach guidance or are such operations strictly VMC ?

We have a big new ER facility about to open where they describe the 3 helipads as "...state of the art..." but I can't find out what that might mean.

I know nothing about helicopter flying.

They don’t have any ground based aids, but many countries use Point in Space GNSS based approaches. These are helicopter only procedures, designed to allow an IFR arrival to a point from which a visual approach to a heliport can be made.

bafanguy 12th May 2024 16:36

212man,

Thanks for that. Had no idea how to research my question but your info led to this:

https://www.aerosociety.com/news/poi...er-approaches/


So, I suppose that local terrain and other obstructions will be variable and affect just how low/near one can go in relation to the helipad. And these are published approaches that are in a database ?

Also, what does the cockpit instrumentation depicting these approaches look like ? Something similar to what the fixed-wing world knows as an FMS display ?

wrench1 12th May 2024 17:47


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 11653875)
Do hospital helipads have any form of navigation/approach guidance or are such operations strictly VMC ?

To add, the majority of the helicopter IFR GPS approach procedures to US hospital helipads are proprietary to the operator or hospital. Last I recall there were over 275 private approach procedures in use in the US. Here's a link to a company that has developed a number of them for their clients.

212man 12th May 2024 18:02


Originally Posted by wrench1 (Post 11653951)
To add, the majority of the helicopter IFR GPS approach procedures to US hospital helipads are proprietary to the operator or hospital. Last I recall there were over 275 private approach procedures in use in the US. Here's a link to a company that has developed a number of them for their clients.

Thanks Wrench - I’d love to have replied, but the unusual sunshine took me to a pub instead!

bafanguy 12th May 2024 18:30


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11653960)
I’d love to have replied, but the unusual sunshine took me to a pub instead!

A much better choice than shop talk. :D

And thanks, wrench1

wrench1 12th May 2024 18:50


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 11653915)
Also, what does the cockpit instrumentation depicting these approaches look like ? Something similar to what the fixed-wing world knows as an FMS display ?

Don't know if these will help or confuse. Be forewarned the 2nd video is a bit long winded.


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11653960)
Thanks Wrench - I’d love to have replied, but the unusual sunshine took me to a pub instead!

Interesting. Never needed sunshine to take me to the pub....cheers! :)

gipsymagpie 14th May 2024 00:00


Originally Posted by wrench1 (Post 11653951)
To add, the majority of the helicopter IFR GPS approach procedures to US hospital helipads are proprietary to the operator or hospital. Last I recall there were over 275 private approach procedures in use in the US. Here's a link to a company that has developed a number of them for their clients.

The ones being introduced in the UK will be similar. Each operator will have a bespoke database which is the standard one plus the PINS. In the cockpit the approach is nearly identical to a a standard instrument approach except that the RNP is set at 0.3 for the whole initial, approach and missed approach segments (which helps to get the whole approach lower)

bafanguy 14th May 2024 07:19


Originally Posted by wrench1 (Post 11653974)
Be forewarned the 2nd video is a bit long winded.

wrench1,

Yes, it was but interesting. Sounds a bit familiar in spots. Thanks.

VeeAny 15th May 2024 13:23


Originally Posted by gipsymagpie (Post 11654691)
The ones being introduced in the UK will be similar. Each operator will have a bespoke database which is the standard one plus the PINS. In the cockpit the approach is nearly identical to a a standard instrument approach except that the RNP is set at 0.3 for the whole initial, approach and missed approach segments (which helps to get the whole approach lower)

I really hope this is the case, when we were trying to get Penzance PINS approaches approved , both of which terminated over the sea by design, we were told no lower than 500ft, despite the seemingly lower minima permitted in ICAO specification documents. I think it was something to do with them not being aligned with a runway or FATO which was instrument approach suitable, lighting wise.



212man 15th May 2024 13:53


Originally Posted by VeeAny (Post 11655772)
I really hope this is the case, when we were trying to get Penzance PINS approaches approved , both of which terminated over the sea by design, we were told no lower than 500ft, despite the seemingly lower minima permitted in ICAO specification documents. I think it was something to do with them not being aligned with a runway or FATO which was instrument approach suitable, lighting wise.

I'm guessing not having access to EGNOS isn't helping either?


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