UK rejoining EASA
 

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Good news!

April Fool….

Months to extricate ourselves, and rejoin with "immediate effect". Its a no-brainer. On so many levels.

Good try.

If only... :{

Difficult that, with the ECJ in the way.

No, the reason why we couldn't stay with EASA on Brexit is because it is under their bailiwick.

Sadly it's so simple and the perfect example of the intelligence capacity of the political grouping behind the drive for Brexit.

It has the word European in the title.

Remember even the CAA were telling us we wouldn't be leaving EASA, until we were.

I still have a letter from the MOT via my MP stating we would not be leaving EASA. 🙄

I’m still trying to come to terms with JAR….

EASA is enforced by the ECJ. The EU were very happy for us to remain within EASA but the ERG etc wanted to 'take back control' and insisted that the UK's sovereignty was paramount. Ergo no UK regulations could be over ruled by the ECJ. Result, hard Brexit.

1. If we now do everything ourselves of this nature how many more civil servants have we had to employ on transport, food, shipping, technology transfer etc etc etc because of the B word

Of course most ERG members live in the 18th Century so have no clue about the real world -shouldn't they and BJ face some sort of punishment for their evil deeds now the whole thing has turned out to be a complete farce.

Basically the CAA didn't fight hard enough for us to stay in EASA.

CAA, DVLA, Passport office, HMRC, etc all fking useless

To be fair to them, they didn't know either.

So does that mean you can do a EASA licence in Northern Ireland (where the ECJ still has jurisdiction)? ;-)

I believe you can do a licence in the gb if the ATO has easa permission

Well, it’s a take I suppose.

If my recent experiences are anything to go by, yes, definitely. We are in 'failed state' territory.

My recent experiences have been the contrary. Last year received a fairly large (5 figures) tax refund from HMRC within weeks of submitting the assessment. This year, I applied online for a counter passport service - made online on the evening of 31st December 2023 (pretty rock and roll lifestyle!), selected Saturday the 5th January, as flying to UK from NL, all confirmed on 3rd Jan. Once checked in on the Friday morning, at AMS, I found a mail in my spam folder, saying I needed a letter from my employer as I was asking for a second passport. I called the help line and was through within 5 minutes, explained I already had a second passport which was also going to expire shortly, and I was not intending to renew it. I was instructed to just submit both for cancellation, and there would be no issues. On Saturday afternoon, I got off the Elizabeth Line at Custom House at 14:00, and at 14:20 I was back on the platform waiting to go back into town!

Are there any other European nationals with a UK only pilots license that are stuck in the UK?
or am I the only one…..

Have a look here - some NAAs seem quite pragmatic: https://www.enac.gov.it/en/safety-se...nces-issued-by

Which politician made this decision anyway?
 

Which politician decided this anyway? Which person or person do i need to make a voodoo doll for? Is the UK CAA making any means to reverse such a 'cut your nose off to spite your face' decision?

Grant Shapps: he was transport minister at the time.

Would be handy if the CAA stopped playing silly buggers and recognized that their ATPL theory exams bear no functional difference with EASAs, and stop demanding that people resit exams, especially if those people are actively employed flying jets into and out of the UK on a daily basis with an EASA license, yet cannot work for a G-reg company because they don't have the time nor will to redo all the ATPL exams. I swear I'm not bitter though... I'll just take my "highly valued skills" and tax contribution off to where I'm actually valued if my own country don't want them.

When did you do your exams? And are you eligible to apply for a UK ATPL?

If you had valid ATPL theory at the point of Brexit, and you hold an EASA ATPL to convert then you should be able to convert your licence without sitting any exams (until 31st Dec 2027).

I’m guessing you know this and don’t qualify as above?

It's far more annoying to hold a UK ATPL and be expected to resit exams for EASA.

The same applies both ways. I did exactly that - gained an EASA ATPL on the basis of a UK ATPL, post Brexit, without using the SOLI transfer process. If you had ATPL credits pre-Brexit, you have until 31/12/27 to do so.

How did you do it without going through the SOLI process - I was told that wasn't possible. Are you a UK resident?

Yes, Covid (plus finances and willpower) conspired to leave me ending up taking most of my exams after the cut-off date. Whilst it was a concious choice to continue with the EASA exams and that's my decision and I live with it, it is very frustrating to know that my options in the UK are also basically limited by political point proving and nothing more. Luckily I don't see my career continuing for much longer in Britain, fingers crossed it'll just prove to be water under the bridge!

The SOLI process applies to EASA>EASA tranfers. Post Brexit the UK stopped being EASA hence you could hold both. Certain NAAs interpret the current rules to mean that anyone who held a UK issued EASA ATPL or exam credits which reverted to UK-only still has valid EASA credits until 2027.

yes - ATPL theory credits have validity for 7 years from the date you last held a valid type rating (provided no period of 7 years have elapsed since gaining credit where you didn’t hold a valid rating). If you held EASA rating/credit on the date of Brexit then you still have credit for 7 years from that date. PM me if you want more info on a process but many EASA NAAs allow it.