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Bell 407 Nr question
I had read, and don’t quote me but I believe it was from a Prouty or Coyle book that said the 407 was most effective and flew the best at a slower Nr but the engineers at Bell wanted to increase the Nr for a reason not known to me. After digging through my books I cannot seem to my notes on this and was hoping someone could enlighten me. Thank you in advance!
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That's what I was told as well - apparently it was fashionable to have higher RRPM. But that was noisy so there is an NR reduction facility to be used above 1500 feet to keep the neighbours happy.
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could be a confusion of words, effective or efficient
Effective if you are limited in Torque than 5% increase in Nr will give you a proportional increase in rotor thrust and load carrying capability, I cite for example the H125 having the FADEC increase the Nr to 410RPM when the sling load goes above 150Kg An increase Nr however goes against your VNE performance (compressibility problem will come faster) Efficient With a slower Nr the induced angle will be higher and the rotor system will be more efficient, I cite for example reducing the Nr to stretch the autorotation range and reducing the rate of decent |
The 76 increased rotor RPM from 293 (100%) in the A to 312 RPM (107%) in the C, don't know but presumed it was because the gross went from 10,500 to 11,700.
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Originally Posted by Weads
(Post 11455948)
I had read, and don’t quote me but I believe it was from a Prouty or Coyle book that said the 407 was most effective and flew the best at a slower Nr but the engineers at Bell wanted to increase the Nr for a reason not known to me.
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"The Quiet Mode kit permits flight operations at 92% NR when above 50 KIAS and 200 feet AGL. Flyover noise level is reduced by 3.8 dBA SEL when in Quiet Mode. The kit consists of an electrical selector switch on the collective (pilot position only), an annunciator."
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Originally Posted by megan
(Post 11455995)
The 76 increased rotor RPM from 293 (100%) in the A to 312 RPM (107%) in the C, don't know but presumed it was because the gross went from 10,500 to 11,700.
It was quite substantial, allegedly…. 100% Nr must be more efficient. My guess too is the NR related to Gross Take Off. I’d hazard a guess it’s got something to do with the conning angles or RBS. There are plenty here that would know more about that than me and I would be interested in the actual reason if someone wants to share it. |
Allegedly if you ran out of power on the 76 and were below 10400lbs. Beeping from 107 to 100 NR gave a nice torque/N1 boost if you were a bit short. It was quite substantial, allegedly…. |
Since we are talking Bell here, they could have increased the Nr to improve the TR power.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 11456621)
Since we are talking Bell here, they could have increased the Nr to improve the TR power.
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Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 11456645)
The 407 has no shortage of tail rotor authority, so unlikely.
Bumping up the Nr is most likely about managing Tq. |
IIRC, Nick once said that 76 RRPM was boosted to 107 to improve low speed handling.
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Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 11456592)
Logically that seems the wrong way round?
Invariably when power was a problem it was hot and you were GTOM limited anyway. |
Nick once said that 76 RRPM was boosted to 107 to improve low speed handling |
From Nick Lappos post in Megan's link
The later model 76's use the 107 Nr exclusively, mostly for high speed maneuver effectiveness, and also for tail rotor effectiveness at low speed. Right on, Stan. The extra Nr in takeoff has an advantage if a landback is made, due to the extra rotor energy as S76heavy alludes (to be exact, the inertia is the same, but the stored energy is higher). When trying to hover and engine temperature limited, it is better to be at lower Nr. If torque limited it is a wash, just as you say, Stan. That doesn't answer the 407 question though. |
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