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helispotter 31st December 2022 11:15


Originally Posted by Salusa (Post 11356958)
Indeed they did. AS350BA's. Aus Navy training machines I believe.

Operated across Royal Australian Air Force, Navy and Army (with lettering accordingly). Primarily for training, but some operational off the back of our frigates, including while deployed in middle east. I am fairly certain they were all delivered as AS350B's and only later upgraded to AS350BA. No longer in ADF service now, but a number came onto the Australian civilian register after retirement from ADF.

laardvark 31st December 2022 13:19

Nev bartos starts a chopper thread .
irony ?

albatross 31st December 2022 18:04


Originally Posted by Nubian (Post 11357139)
I know it was a mod offered for mil customers, but have never seen a civilian B2 or older with it. Don’t know about the left hand drive conversion AS350’s used by tour operators but maybe Gordy can answer if those also have this option.

We inquired about getting the kit as a retrofit for our fleet here in Canada but the price quoted was unbelievably high!


uxb99 31st December 2022 19:10

Flew in the back of one of those during a pleasure flight over New York.
After the safety briefing and life vest training the first thought that crossed my mind as they strapped me in the back was "If this goes down over the water good luck getting out of the back".
Having said that it was a very pleasant flight, Could hardly tell it was moving.

Gordy 31st December 2022 20:56


Originally Posted by Nubian (Post 11357139)
I know it was a mod offered for mil customers, but have never seen a civilian B2 or older with it. Don’t know about the left hand drive conversion AS350’s used by tour operators but maybe Gordy can answer if those also have this option.

I flew left hand drive, but it had the regular FFCL, I do not believe there was a mod available for civilian LH drive.

Ascend Charlie 31st December 2022 21:46

We operated a LH-pilot version, built in Canada, and it had the rotten floor-mounted throttle quadrant next to the door. The collective lock was also down there, and it grabbed the lever during my endorsement when I lowered it to do an auto. Discovered it locked when it came time for the initial pitch-pull to control RRPM in the flare, so I just kept the speed up and lowered the nose to level the skids and we bounced and skidded on the grass to a stop. So, you can pull off an auto without using collective AT ALL. But I then snapped the lock off so it wouldn't do that again.

megan 1st January 2023 00:07

Thanks for the photo helispotter :ok: A keeper.

helispotter 1st January 2023 01:35


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11357490)
Thanks for the photo helispotter :ok: A keeper.

Glad you enjoyed it. Not my photo, rather by David Carter, who had been quite prolific taking such photos which we can now all enjoy seeing on AirHistory.net. I was only a very young lad when that photo was taken!

MightyGem 1st January 2023 20:14


Originally Posted by Gordy (Post 11355741)
3 in front 4 in back. I flew this configuration in an AS350 for 7 years in Hawaii. The EC130 has a 7 pax 1 pilot version also:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cef6c9a897.jpg

Is there a particular reason why it's left hand drive?

evil7 1st January 2023 20:35

Yes, to protect the collective from the SLF.

wrench1 1st January 2023 21:52


Originally Posted by MightyGem (Post 11357905)
Is there a particular reason why it's left hand drive?

Make room for more front row seats.

JimEli 2nd January 2023 14:53

As best I can tell, gusty conditions at KBVU around time of crash:KBVU 280035Z AUTO 17011G20KT 10SM BKN090 17/M02 A2977 RMK AO2

JimEli 3rd January 2023 12:57

Similar in type events:

SEA07LA110
DEN04CA058
CEN15FA164

MightyGem 3rd January 2023 21:56


Originally Posted by wrench1 (Post 11357931)
Make room for more front row seats.

Sounds logical.

jimiemick 14th January 2023 06:52


Originally Posted by laardvark (Post 11357223)
Nev bartos starts a chopper thread .
irony ?

I now know what I am watching tonight, Obviously most people did not get the joke.

Nev Bartos 27th February 2025 20:13

The NTSB has released its report here.

Report attachments / dockets
Crash Video
Joe Munoz Maverick Letter


The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident to be: The pilot’s failure to apply anti-torque pedal input in a sufficient, timely, and sustained manner while attempting to arrest a turn during a hover-taxi, which resulted in a loss of directional control. Contributing to the severity of the occupants’ injuries was the inconsistent performance of the seats’ energy-absorption devices, which was likely due to the rotational forces encountered during the accident which were not required to be accounted for during the
seat certification process.
Some interesting facts were published in the report. Prior to the accident and employment at Papillion Helicopters, pilot Marius Calderwood had already completed approximately 7.6 hours of Type Rating Training at Maverick Helicopters, then his training was terminated. The pilot then went to complete additional type training and employment at Papillion with out disclosing his previous experience at Maverick ??


MightyGem 27th February 2025 21:14

Looking at the video, the same happened to me and a fellow student, in a Gazelle in more or less the same situation: ie, a slow speed left hand turn, and of course, pulling power to get clear of the ground makes things worse. We managed to recover the situation.

ericferret 27th February 2025 22:01


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11357109)
Yes, there are a couple of emergencies on the Gazelle that require taking the throttle out of the gate and selecting a power manually.

The only difference is that on a free power turbine the datum maintained is usually Nf while on the fixed spool engine the datum is Ng - other than that the fuel flow is still altered to maintain that datum with the capability of a manual over-ride in case of malfunction.

It's certainly not as easy with a roof mounted throttle as it is with a collective mounted one though.

My understanding was that the rotary throttle was to make the 350 similar to the Kiowa which the Australians already operated for safety reasons.
While on the Arriel engine course at Turbomeca we asked why the starting procedures were different between the 365C and the 365N.
The answer was that it didn't actually matter but it had been changed because the Australians had a few incidents with Kiowas..
The original start procedure for the Arriel was open the throttle to idle then press start. This was changed to press start then open the throttle.
Dual rated pilots on the 350 and Kiowa had used the wrong technique on the Kiowa which the Allison did not appreciate.


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