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NutLoose 27th May 2020 12:01

Split tip rotors
 
Now there is something different..

https://www.flightglobal.com/helicop...138504.article


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6d8a9ad8c8.jpg



Meanwhile, Bell also appears to be seeking to bring to rotorcraft the performance gains fixed-wing aircraft have obtained from the use of split-tip winglets, such as those produced by Aviation Partners for the Boeing 737NG.

The patent application for the split-tip rotor blade notes that in wind-tunnel testing of the design, lift rose by about 13.5% and drag reduced by about 17%. “Accordingly the lift/drag ratio was increased by about 36.91%”. This, Bell says, “can result in fuel savings of about 15-17%”.

Bell was granted a US patent for the design on 21 April. Although the airframer gives no detail of specific applications for the split-tip rotors, a drawing within the patent documents shows an aircraft bearing a strong similarlity to its 505 light-single.

Robbo Jock 27th May 2020 14:28

Those things will have to put up with a huge amount of stress.

SansAnhedral 27th May 2020 16:03

The primary claims of the patent are really stating the use of split winglets in general. Dihedral as shown on a helicopter rotor blade does not really make much sense at all, but since all the aerodynamic modeling described in the patent was for improved L/D with dihedral fixed wing applications, I guess thats the way they tried to made the extra claim 11 for a helicopter application.


Accordingly, it can be advantageously utilized with fixed wing aircraft, helicopters, propeller blades, fans, wind power turbine blades, cooling fan blades, aerodynamic spoilers, and other devices utilizing airfoils.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10625847B2/en

In reality, this is sort of taking the BERP concept to the extreme, where it used a well-integrated notch shape to create a smaller vortex that interfaced with the main one, this concept achieves a similar effect with 2 discrete tips.

Droop Snoot 27th May 2020 16:59

It's remarkable....

“Accordingly the lift/drag ratio was increased by about 36.91%”

... including the resolution of their wind tunnel tests!

Ascend Charlie 27th May 2020 19:19

In the hover, I can see it would have an advantage. Be interesting to see how it is in forward flight, with the blades passing the fore/aft position.

[email protected] 28th May 2020 10:56

As Ray Prouty was keen to stress - what you gain in the hover, you lose in forward flight and vice versa where helicopter design changes are concerned.

Thud_and_Blunder 28th May 2020 11:09

Having once, rather unscientifically, split a set of Wessex blade tip-caps on a tree which snuck in too close towards us while we were dropping troops on a hillside in NI, I can vouch for the fact that they don't always result in an improvement in performance.

wrench1 29th May 2020 19:07

Would be interesting to see the track and balance procedures on those type of blades. Hopefully we wouldn't have to go back to Zeiss each blade or start using BBs to product balance again.

Ascend Charlie 29th May 2020 23:32

Would be fun using the flags on a pole and trying to hit the top blade...

TRACKANDBALANCE 4th June 2020 13:29

Save fuel in flight........use more getting the RTB sorted though. Cool concept i always understood the anhedral was the way forward with the paddle tip to elongate the chord. Either way its going to interesting to hear the noise they make.

S3R 4th June 2020 16:57


Originally Posted by Thud_and_Blunder (Post 10795646)
Having once, rather unscientifically, split a set of Wessex blade tip-caps on a tree which snuck in too close towards us while we were dropping troops on a hillside in NI, I can vouch for the fact that they don't always result in an improvement in performance.

Brilliant T&B. Gave me a laugh at 0200 with the baby.

etudiant 5th June 2020 01:06


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10794777)

Is there a reason for not having the split tips go up and down respectively?
All the most recent wingtip modifications on civil jets extend both above as well as below, so I'd have thought that helicopter blades would be similarly fitted.

Bell_ringer 5th June 2020 05:39


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 10802507)
Is there a reason for not having the split tips go up and down respectively?
All the most recent wingtip modifications on civil jets extend both above as well as below, so I'd have thought that helicopter blades would be similarly fitted.

may have something to do with the desire to keep the tailboom in one piece.

etudiant 6th June 2020 00:55


Originally Posted by Bell_ringer (Post 10802597)
may have something to do with the desire to keep the tailboom in one piece.

That I can understand.
Suggests though that the idea of an electrically powered tail rotor would fit with this split rotor blade idea. It obviates the need for a TR drive shaft, so the geometry can be a lot more flexible,

tdracer 6th June 2020 02:17


Originally Posted by Bell_ringer (Post 10802597)
may have something to do with the desire to keep the tailboom in one piece.

Not to mention the heads of anyone approaching the helo...
Noise wise, my first guess is that it would be quieter and at a higher frequency. A large amount of helicopter noise is from the blade hitting the vortex from preceding rotor - less then intensity of that vortex and you should reduce the noise. But there will be more (smaller) vorticies so the frequency would increase.

Rigga 6th June 2020 14:45


Originally Posted by Robbo Jock (Post 10794902)
Those things will have to put up with a huge amount of stress.

Not if you build them so that they flex/stretch outward to those positions. Look at the the way A380 wings and K-Max blades are built. Stressed when still but more relaxed when in use.

cattletruck 7th June 2020 09:42

I don't know why I keep thinking of this, but wouldn't the split tip begin whistling under certain conditions.

Ascend Charlie 7th June 2020 10:24


wouldn't the split tip begin whistling under certain conditions
John Wayne whistling "The High and The Mighty" would be a good start.


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