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Flying Bull...…"Bird" = Helicopter...really!!!
Chopper is bad but Bird...……. Some sick just come into my mouth reading that. |
DB, you need to get out more :) it is part of the lexicon in some areas of the business, as much as you may hate it, one dictionary includes the definition,
a man-made object (such as an aircraft, rocket, or satellite) that resembles a bird especially by flying or being aloft Then there is giving someone the bird. You hate these type of birds as well? https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....679f34113a.jpg |
Megan, I bow to your greater knowledge in favour of more "Bird" postings!
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Originally Posted by MaxR
(Post 10612472)
FB - I'm not sure that's the case. The calculation would have shown him that he had about 75kg left - which he did - the problem is not how much fuel he had (enough for a good twenty minutes) but where it was, ie not in the supply tanks. Or have I misunderstood something?
i think Captain Trail’s probable belief that both transfer pumps were on when in fact both were off persuaded him to ignore subsequent warnings. i did read every word of the FAI report. I can’t help agreeing with its findings. But I think that the fuel system of the 135 is an abomination waiting to trap the unwary in a totally false illusion that each engine has its own fuel supply to meet regulation. ive never flown the type, but it seems to me that there is never a time when both transfer pumps would intentionally be off together. so why not a single three position switch. Centre - Both on. Forward - Forward on Rear off. Rear - Rear on Forward off. and if you ever need both off a separate guarded switch to turn both off. |
“I've never flown the type, but it seems to me that there is never a time when both transfer pumps would intentionally be off together” Yep, when main is empty and fuel is only being drawn from the supply tanks. In simple terms, when there is no fuel to be transferred from main to the supply tanks, the transfer pumps are turned off. |
Sloppy Link Thanks for that. So only when the fuel state is quite low. Can’t remember the total contents of the supply tanks but roughly how much time would you have left once in that condition? |
Originally Posted by Arkroyal
(Post 10614855)
Sloppy Link Can’t remember the total contents of the supply tanks ? |
Originally Posted by meleagertoo
(Post 10612099)
Did the Police ever provide a transcript of the police comms?
meleagertoo.......... That’s the proverb able million dollar question !!!!!!! , I have always pondered on it myself, ( I DONT THINK SO ) But will always stand corrected if it has been provided , But the Dark place north of the Border Might never see the 9999 clarity to your question . |
Originally Posted by Sloppy Link
(Post 10614807)
“I've never flown the type, but it seems to me that there is never a time when both transfer pumps would intentionally be off together” Yep, when main is empty and fuel is only being drawn from the supply tanks. In simple terms, when there is no fuel to be transferred from main to the supply tanks, the transfer pumps are turned off. |
Originally Posted by GC47G
(Post 10614942)
meleagertoo.......... That’s the proverb able million dollar question !!!!!!! , I have always pondered on it myself, ( I DONT THINK SO ) But will always stand corrected if it has been provided , But the Dark place north of the Border Might never see the 9999 clarity to your question . Although Sheriff's determinations are available from the scotcourt website, transcripts are normally only available to the "interested parties" represented at the FAI. |
DB - you are very quick to criticise FB for his terminology, rather childishly in fact, since English is not his first language you could just cut him some slack.
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Originally Posted by DOUBLE BOGEY
(Post 10614185)
Flying Bull...…"Bird" = Helicopter...really!!!
Chopper is bad but Bird...……. Some sick just come into my mouth reading that. |
Arnold Schwarzenegger says “get in da chopper! NOW!”. He is the only one who can get away with it. I’ve never ever heard a British pilot or engineer call a helicopter a bird. ive always referred to it as a helicopter or aeroplane/aircraft �� |
Or cab (back in the day).
I hope Flying Bull continues to make his points and gives DB a severe ignoring. |
Originally Posted by HeliComparator
(Post 10614965)
except that the transfer pumps don’t need to be turned off, unless they are the crappy ones. Why not get rid of the crappy ones and then things would be much simpler and safer? No-one has bothered to do a risk assessment of the downside of the crappy ones vs ensuring that the pumps are the Test Fuchs type. What price making the system more error tolerant?
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Originally Posted by Sloppy Link
(Post 10615576)
The pumps do need to be turned off if that is what the drill says. |
Originally Posted by handysnaks
(Post 10615437)
Or cab (back in the day).
I hope Flying Bull continues to make his points and gives DB a severe ignoring. bye the way - there is actually a helicopter, which is official named bird MH-6 Little Bird Light Utility Helicopter | Military-Today.com ;-) To fuel pumps - not really the ideal situation, that with only little fuel left, either the front or back pump runs dry (hovering / cruise). Better to have pumps with run dry capability - but still, pumps are cautions, low fuel is a warning, which needs to be addressed accordingly. Different to the normal aviation world, where you have time and need to do a proper preflight planning including fuel planning (normally on a sheet which needs to be taken onto the flight), police and SAR flights and some military - get missions while being airborne. So you have to do inflight flight planning - but this should and normally does include fuel planning (trip / reserve fuel) And the planning needs continues fine-tuning with changing mission parameters. That it is demanding - at night - with two further crew members possible pushing towards mission completion - no question at all. Everybody operating in a similar environment should therefore remember this crash and adjust his decision making towards safety. |
FB, Crab and Handy Snaks, Thou have the right o call them "Choppers", "Cabs", "Birds", "Flingwings" etc.
Crab its been a long time since you have got your gander up at ,me. Now I am just getting to old to react. However, its a "Helicopter" or and "Aircraft" and it will always et my teeth on edge when someone calls it an odd name and "Bird" is the one that gets to me the most. FB, if you cant speak English proper like! Don't worry, In truth I am slightly dismayed that this whole subject has been resurrected. I thought it had already been thrashed out completely. Any way goona get back in me motor and mosey on down to the boozer before the Trouble and Strife finds out. |
Some great support for the pilot and criticism of the report from the police crew families in this news article https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...-west-50585953 |
Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme
(Post 10629567)
Some great support for the pilot and criticism of the report from the police crew families in this news article https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...-west-50585953 Good for the morale of the relatives - but ... Don´t screw with Murphy (s law) (https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...=Murphys%20Law) It´s always better to be on the ground and wishing to be in the air - then to be in the air, wishing you were on the ground.... So if you have an indication in the cockpit, treat it, as if it is real - it actually might be, even if it was an false indication the last 20 or so times. As Murphy would say, the moment you assume its false, it will be for real... |
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