What are you doing here?
 

If that's a forum for professionals, what is a bunch of numpties doing here?:ugh:

I know what you mean bravo about the private aircraft I kind of went off topic, I didn't even see that post was posted it kept saying that the moderator was doing something so I didn't edit it.


and the ANO have the rules pretty much solid. I'm just trying to push those rules to the limit because anyone would run out of friends eventually for cost sharing.
I just want to hour build as economically as possible


but in the "lunch scenario" that could be a work around the rules if it was worded correctly.

GM, whilst not wishing to encourage anyone into dodgy activity it is naïve of some posters to think that pilots are not working around things.

Basically if you take money it isn't and hasn't got anything to do with the flying.

As the legendary Dennis K said on the 500 thread to the effect... you can go flying but its for fun....

I don't want to make the impression that I want to EARN money its just re-coupe the cost.


Is not all flying fun?

I do not know the UK rules, but whenever I look at a situation as to its legality and morality, I ask myself:

"What will the accident report say, and what will the news media say?"

Perhaps the best thing to do here would be just to do the flights - then find out whats happens afterwards? Oh and let us know!

Seriously - I think you're trying to push your luck.

Secondly - Don't buy a 'cheap R22' to hour build on - it might bite you in the backside by the time you've had it for a year, paid for the annual, struggled to sell it, fuelled it, paid for the 50hr service, paid for the insurance, paid for the unscheduled maintenance, paid for hangarage etc. Damage limitation - pay by the hour.

Of course the definition of flight time is 'rotor start' to 'rotor stop' so if you're paying on the Datcon which only works on the lever (such as an R44) you can do quite nicely out of shorter 'airborne' flights and not bothering to slow the rotors quickly with the rotor brake... 0.3 Datcon can quite easily be 0.5 - 0.6 rotors turning. The Bell 47 is another great ship for this as the blades spin for ages and there is often no rotor brake!

Gordy,
I had thought about a worst case scenario and the consequences would not be good.


misterb
I'll stay away from the cheap R22 seams like more hassle then its worth, I haven't been asked or asked to do these flight, just came up in convocation about hour building and wanted to know what you folk thought.

Forget about the Events Company. That's not going to work. As I already said, if there's going to be a high number of people at the event, an authorized company with a valid AOC is the only ones able to carry out the flights with a Commercial Pilot!

If you want to make it cheap and legal in a R44, then become a member of a R44 share, there are a few across the UK.
Compared to self fly hire prices, the R44 share is a cheaper option.
And to make it a bit more cheaper, you can let your friends pay for their part of the fuel (not 100% sure if you can let them pay for their part of the total cost).

Don't know how many hours you need, but if it's from basic PPL to CPL, then it's cheaper to get a R22 rating and go to the USA for a month and build your hours there.
Then come back to the UK with still 10h left and fly your friends around in the R44.
Lots of options but I wouldn't fly on the edge of the CAA rules :=

Hey Gordy, I read your post and thought that it was my own....

Although the pessimist in my head makes me think how I will explain it to the judge.... Or my Dad and their mum, at their funeral.

If you have to think about it for more than a couple of seconds, it's normally not a very good idea.

Other options
 

GMavrick

two further options to get someone else to pay are either marry rich or join the military. :suspect:

GMavrick

Make sure that doesn't become a habit when you start earning a living in aviation. People with that attitude don't usually last very long.
Best of luck with your cost saving efforts.:E

The best way to help cost wise is to create a corporate entity and register for VAT.

The whole hospitality gig isn't going to last as they will stuggle to market it. However registering for VAT will at least reduce things by 20%.

This thread has become a Hamster Wheel: for further discussion the posts have been moved to Can you reclaim VAT and/or tax on training costs?