Get the Aussie and NZ pilots over here to show how it really can be done without the whining once the engines have stopped:=

As most of the jobs over here are for mispers, perhaps it would be better if you sent over Skippy :ok:

Skippy, the guardian angel? Australian boy says kangaroo saved him.

http://www.classicaustraliantv.com/Skippy/SK6.jpg

Maybe Police operations, crab@? Who said anything about SAR :hmm:

I'm quite intrigued that there is such a degree of criticism here of what seems to me to be professional and competent expansion of knowledge of an operation's area. Should there be a call in bad weather and the driver has no experience of the local features and stuffs up, would you then be raising the same level of criticism that 'he should have known the area, after all it's in his patch'?

Sid in post 1050 where he was quoting the police Sgt

Oooops!...

There is a very vocal minority of UK private pilots on Pprune who constantly demonstrate their lack of knowledge and professionalism John. Most of us simply ignore them.

Even before the advent of Google Earth police control rooms were collecting images of salient points on their manor and dating them so the questions could be asked as to whether 'things' had changed. This is 25 years ago and I saw specific examples kept by the Met and D&C.

And the same applies to the rest of UK air support - dated images were kept so you had a point of reference readily to hand. If they had built an estate meanwhile it may well be pretty obvious!

OK so today they may not be in a shabby and bent loose leaf binder, more likely on the hard drive and used in conjunction with Google, but they are a starting point for planning an approach for an operation whether you are planning a nap of the earth covert walk-in or an aircraft on an approach to a new site.

crab@,

I guess I read that comment as an incidental aside to the true task of the recce, more of a sop to the press to prevent the very attitude that we are seeing here of deriding the trip rather than supporting a professional approach by the crews. Nonetheless, I see the tenuous association that prompted your comment about 771NAS: sorry.

I'm sure that many in the UK are aware that other nations do Polair, SAR and Ambo quite differently and yet they seem to manage quite well and (dare I mention) quite professionally without much of the territory marking that seems to prevail within discussions on RH. Our VicPol do Polair, SAR and Ambo; other State Polair do both SAR and Polair. Ambo contracts around the nation are done by both State and by contract operators, day and night, plus they all are winch equipped and SAR capable.

The sooner that the UK CAA drag themselves into the latter half of the 20th Century and allow Police ops to catch up with the rest of the world, the better.

My 6c worth :ok:

Bad weather, 40 min overland transit into a 20 minute oversea transit for a job in an unfamiliar area, pretty restrictive opening hours for EGHE for fuel etc ... I think there will be a few more questions asked and criticisms raised than why hadn't the driver been more familiar with local features in the area.

If this is justified because it is 'on their patch', then perhaps all NPAS units will get their chance of visiting the various Islands. I believe Tresco is very nice most times of the year and I bet there'll be a few after bagging the IoM during TT week and IoW during Cowes :ok:

In the meantime, lets look forward to reading the report :cool:

heh heh - this was a jolly by DandC whichever way you paint it. I did the same when I was 'checking out' my patch and their numerous "outer islands". Not necessary - says the risk matrix.
How often is there a job on "the Vanunu Islands" Vs what are the chances when we start up tomorrow due to us being a 'downbird' will the beastie start properly with all systems go, Vs being offline to the rest of the busy sectors.
Mmmmm I can smell that sea air now................:E

Adroight

Yup I am very private pilot :ugh:

TC

Are you coming round to my way of thinking ? First time you have agreed with me :ok:

Well all three of those in the back are local Police, were there no TFO's on board? Who's opening the door?
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Edit - ooops, I see now that regular crew were in the back also.
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Is a PCSO a 'CAA Agreed Passenger'?

I'm sure you'll find out in October...

Looks like she has a firm grip on that truncheon ;)

Mr.B, why not enlighten us all? Unlike yourself, not everyone has/will have access to the info.

If you're prepared to say ...
... surely through your reliable source, you can tell us what the NPAS Police Ops Manual says about PCSO's and how it differs from CAP 612 ;)

Both CAP 612 and the NPAS Ops Manual state that an agreed pax maybe; "an employee of a police authority in the course of his duty", so I guerss that they are.

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Duties of a PCSO during landing site surveys would be what?

Cabby, just a couple of things,

a. The PCSO lives there
b. PCSO's aren't normally authorised to hold truncheons

Having said that, ref b. there was a night out in the equation :ok: