EASA & NPAS
 

Does anybody know the answer on this question,

what will be with the police pilots licences in the EASA World... Will they keep the EASA licences or they will be pushed somewhere into the national (separate) register and fly on national licences, together with their helicopters ?

JR

EASA licences

Good (to know)! Is that definitively or EASA´s still thinking what to do with the police aviation (because it´s not a commercial transport) ?

JR

I do not believe EASA have any immediate plans to regulate state aircraft (in fact, I don't think they have any long term plans to regulate State Aircraft either). The ANO has been amended to allow UK registered non-EASA aircraft to be flown by a pilot holding a Part-FCL (EASA), Licence. Article 50 of the ANO should give you all of the information you need.

This is a bit of an old presentation but it should explain things!

Thanks HS. What is a difference between EASA and non-EASA aircraft/helicopter?

JR

A simple question, I'll give some thought to the complex answer after I've hit the pit!

EASA/non-EASA
 

JR
HS is right, can be complex but I think the ultra-simple answer is that an EASA aircraft is one where the Type Cerificate has been recognised and adopted by EASA. Non-EASA aircraft have not; and are Categorised Annexe II - VFR

Thanks guys, I think that I generally understood.

for example;
...in Eurocopter factory; standing a two new EC-135´s, identical on a first view...

First one, built for the Civil protection/Gendarmerie, can´t be civil registered (something like military version etc.) - non EASA aircraft

Second one, ordered by the one european police, and can be/will be civil registered - EASA aircraft ?

I wonder how is situation with an old B206 which is in a civil register (ICAO, JAR ...) more than 25 years ...will go to the Annex II VFR (non-EASA) ?

JR

There is a perceived 'problem' raised by some in Europe that mainly affects the former Gendarmerie aircraft operators.

As you probably know a number of them eventually migrated to being 'taken over' by the civil authorities [from military to ministry of the interior]. This apparently simple move had a massive sting in the tail in that the engineering and support could move across to being civil [145] certified in the future but it left behind earlier airframes that could not/cannot be retreived into being a saleable commodity.

The result is that there are a number of airframes imprisoned in a 'no man's' land and virtually unsaleable. The Caribinieri in Italy managed to offload some of its AgustaBell 206s to a military user but that is not an option available to many with the ongoing military shrinkage. There are therefore plenty of machines just waiting for museums. They need more museums in Belgium and I suspect that the rebuild of MD900s to 902s may well offer a chance embrace the fleet a life under 145!

Future Euro police aircraft may be EASA compliant but the old stuff is a problem.

Yes but wouldn't t these aircraft be classed as easa annex 2 aircraft which afaik can be used for commercial work on their own country's

What I never understood then when I was flying the things, nor now, when I'm not is why hasn't the Brit government made police air ops: State aircraft. Just like the Gendarmerie? It would make life a lot easier approving various mods etc.
The only useful response I got then was that as the a/c got sold off, without an EASA Cof AW the hulls would be worthless.
But now its a national thang - why not convert to state rule?
shooting from a helo/rapid roping/winching would be the norm for everyone.........

Any reasonable ideas?

Gendarmerie / Carabinieri etc. are military formations with some civil competences ( some countries in Europe still have that model ).

Police is a part/arm of civil society.

Same story if we discuss about the helicopters.

I'm more happy that my helicopter is under the civil registration with the EASA rules, 145, maintenance, no improvisations etc.

JR

TC. Then you would have to create another State organisation to provide oversight...

Hi Handy: They have. It's called NPAS.:=

A finely honed sense of humour TC.

Jim

TC. So you believe that NPAS should provide their oversight?

It's a joke Handy.....you're meant to laugh at it (NPAS and the joke)!:rolleyes:

Ah. I'll have to work on my sense of humour receptors....:-)

8 April 2013

BBC News - Staffordshire Police decide not to share services with West Midlands




Turning the clock back 6 months;
3 Oct 2012

BBC News - West Midlands and Staffordshire police sharing plans agreed


Collaboration & savings......that rings a bell;
01 October 2012

ACPO Media Centre - National Police Air Service is launched

Along with savings;


'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho'(though) the soldiers knew
  Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to ......
—Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Where's it mention Air Support, then?