Only too happy to pay great deference to those who teach EOL's day in day out at the ab-initio stage. I note also the other thread below on touchdown autos for reference which might or might not be joined with this one.

My real beef at this stage is not the techniques for autorotational flight or the completion of either touchdown or power recovery or whatever, it is a problem that I am coming across which makes any discussion on autos totally superfluous until attended to.

It is that students are often not taught how to quickly and safely establish safe autorotational flight after a power cut.

Think about that for a second, right any longer an' for f'n dead, got it?

Students I have sprung are those who have had up to even several hundred hours operational training after their ab-initio tuition, where this is supposed to be ingrained.

I know it was with me before I went solo, I well remember the bash to the head and the labelling - "stupid moronic peasant get the f'n stick down or we'll all gonna f'n die". Yeah well, ex british army instructor, bless his soul.

I didn't need to be told twice I can tell you. But these days it seems they aren't told or more to the point, taught at all.

How is that going to be fixed?

I just don't like going down to less than 85% in an R22, sorting these pricks out.

Like a young dog, as far as learning goes, at the early stages is where these things are best taught and remembered.

It might also be mighty handy for them too, or they will never be lucky enough to meet people like me.
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Sadly there are not enough "people like you" who train. I have been fortunate to train with some very experienced instructors (11k,13k,19k+ hrs, etc.) who have taught me more in 30min than 15hrs with 'an appy*'. You learn faster, learn more and retain more.

I do my time with "appy's" as needed for what it's needed, though make sure, like EN48, I do "regular" time with my more experienced instructors/friends; in his case the Bell Academy.

Sadly a lot of schools who for what ever reason don't do 'the more advanced training' due to low experienced instructors or insurance policies, don't have a chief / senior instructor who can do the more advanced work, like showing you the machine in situations you would not normally encounter, push examples (confined areas, LTE, stuck pedal landings, etc.) and do procedures like full down EOL's to a spot (not just run on).

A sad mixture of economics and apathy, and often left to the student to figure out for themselves that although they got their ticket, they need to seek out more advanced training, privately or through the company they work for.

This is certainly an activity that demands constant and consistent training, whether private or commercial.

*appy - (apprentice) low time flight instructors building hours
** no disrespect to low time flight instructors - they are learning too...

PS. Nellycopter, if you're worried about bending your own machine, use a school machine. It'll not cost you much more than using your own machine, and the risk is all someone else's.