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Agaricus bisporus 18th May 2013 19:44

That'll be a pretty dismal future until battery/fuel-cell technology improves by a couple of orders of magnitude. Give it 30 years and just maybe.

skadi 22nd November 2013 08:34

Maiden flight of the e-volo project:

Revolutionary green helicopter makes maiden flight | Vertical Magazine - The Pulse of the Helicopter Industry


skadi

2Sticks 8th April 2016 08:17

Looks like things have progressed - first manned flight!!
 
The first manned flight of the Volocopter has just taken place. D-MYVC can be seen in this video piloted by the CEO of Volocopter:




Fascinating - will be interested to read the views of all the aero engineers out there as to the future prospects of this. Good video.:D
2Sticks

Vertical Freedom 8th April 2016 12:37

Impressive lift off......can't wait to see it Auto ��

Phone Wind 8th April 2016 13:08

An interesting video. However, I think it still only has a 20 minute endurance and a 55 kt cruise speed so there's a long way to go before it has much commercial use as a manned vehicle concept.

The company states that it will still fly in the event that a number of rotors fail, but the number isn't stated, although they do also say that it's fitted with a parachute.

Ian Corrigible 8th April 2016 14:22

Reminds me of another 'distributed lift' project from a few years back, which had some interesting potential (and which could have sent tinfoil prices skyrocketing). Never saw a single mention of it in the press, but a conceptual image does exist on the web:

http://www.ernstgamper.ch/images/dma_2.jpg

I/C

Ascend Charlie 9th April 2016 00:32

It looks like a single sidestick to control 4 axes - pitch, roll, yaw and vertical (collective).

Be interesting to see if the average joe can get a pure yaw or vertical movement without the natural movement of the hand and wrist bringing in some cross-coupling, with unwanted roll/pitch/whatever.

But this fella seems to do OK and even lets the stick go.

mickjoebill 9th April 2016 01:44

The use of Tethered uav and drones is being explored and results so far are encouraging. Power goes up the wire so fewer batteries needed.

I see a can of regulatory worms labeled manned, powered, tethered flight:)

Another can of worms, do regs cover a commercial, fare paying passenger flight, which is controlled via tether by pilot on the ground?

Enormous redundancy can be built in at a minimal penalty...

Mickjoebill

Arnie Madsen 9th April 2016 08:53

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Arthur Young was doing this stuff in the 1930's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur...r_M._Young.jpg

Evil Twin 9th April 2016 09:01

That is actually pretty impressive really. What is the power source, batteries I know, but how many, type, endurance etc?

He looked pretty relaxed stooging around at lethal levels on the first flight in an experimental aircraft.

Well done.

skridlov 9th April 2016 17:31

Ever since the idea of electrical power for cars became a serious proposition rather than speculation one thing keeps occurring to me and I think it may be relevant to the discussion here. Interchangeable modular batteries. The practicality of recharging associated with cars has always looked like a show-stopper to me. It's difficult enough to find anywhere to park, let alone with a recharging socket conveniently available. However the infrastructure for refuelling with petrol is ubiquitous. It's obviously a gross simplification but modular rechargable batteries which can be rapidly swapped would eliminate the problem to some extent. Of course getting agreement amongst manufacturers - whether of car or aircraft - for a common modular battery format is likely to be all but impossible.

whoknows idont 10th April 2016 05:42

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skridlov: The idea exists since exactly 120 years now and was in service between 1910 and 1924 called GeVeCo. The biggest modern battery-swapping project Better Place went bankrupt in 2013. They erected 21 robotic swapping stations in Israel and 17 in Denmark.
Apparently Tesla Model S is also capable of battery swapping but only one swapping station was built and Tesla seems to have abandoned the project due to low demand and high costs compared to regular fast-charging.

For helicopters I think with today's battery technology, the way to go is gas turbine generated electricity. Buffer battery for peak loads / takeoff power. 5 minutes purely electric flying ability for emergency landing in case of engine failure. :ok:

riff_raff 12th April 2016 03:00


....I think with today's battery technology, the way to go is gas turbine generated electricity.....
DARPA just gave Aurora Flight Sciences $89 million to build a flight demonstrator of their Lightning Strike hybrid gas turbine/electric VTOL aircraft. The stated performance goals are 10,000-12,000 lbs GVW and 300-400 kts max speed. It uses a single 5600 shp AE1107C turboshaft engine (similar to the V-22's engine) to drive three generators.

Ian Corrigible 12th April 2016 16:59

A few years ago EADS was touting eCO2avia, a diesel-electric solution with two OPOC diesels charging two batteries via electric generators, and with electric motors driving the rotors. The concept, which was previously mentioned in the 'Electric Sikorsky' thread, had the potential to free designers from the traditional layout constraints of mechanical transmission helicopters:

The hybrid system architecture allows the main rotor and its electrical drive to be tilted forward during cruise flight. This enables the helicopter’s fuselage to remain at its optimum alignment with the airstream, minimizing aerodynamic drag and thereby reducing the power demand and the fuel consumption. Since the tail rotor has no mechanical linkage to the main rotor and its power source, it can be turned off at higher speeds. During these flight phases, stability and control as well as balancing of the rotor torque are provided by the aerodynamic properties of the helicopter’s tail fin and rudder. [Source]
The concept went 'quiet' shortly after its unveiling, though interestingly Airbus and Siemens just signed an agreement to cooperate on the field of hybrid electric propulsion systems.

I/C

Lonewolf_50 14th April 2016 17:07


Since the tail rotor has no mechanical linkage to the main rotor and its power source, it can be turned off at higher speeds.
Just make sure nobody/nothing cuts that wire bundle. :)

Self loading bear 17th December 2017 19:19

IFO
 
?New? Ideas about electric helicopters:

Identified-Flying-Object

Cheers SLB

Ascend Charlie 17th December 2017 20:21

Love the dreamer's pic of the Identified Flying Object "Landing in the streets" - no cars visible anywhere, the Object floating down between palm-lined footpaths, and hasn't yet deployed the landing struts at 10'agl.

That Object also needs special ground steps and boards to allow people to access the cabin - where will they be kept? Nice little cgi bit of mental m@stur... well, you get the idea.

Lonewolf_50 18th December 2017 13:11

A. Charlie: it appears to need two or three parking spots as compared to, say, a Fiat 500.

Ascend Charlie 18th December 2017 20:14

But you wouldn't park your Bambino on a pedestrian crossing, beside a "no parking" yellow line. But it's OK, no cop cars in sight.

That parachute might reduce their terminal velocity from 120kt to maybe 115.

pilot_tolip 24th August 2018 07:29

Electrical powered helicopters - such as R44
 
What's the likely hood of electrically powered helicopters becoming a reality for GA and Commercial operations?
I see from this article that 'Tier 1 Engineering' is making some inroads https://www.tier1engineering.com/news/093016


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