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Great stuff de Havilland :ok: (Although this would have been an ideal post for the http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/417...licopters.html thread). To the best of my knowledge your list appears fairly accurate (and a most useful confirmation of the information I already possess). Those 'in the know' include PPRuNer Helipixman and Paul Tomlin of Edendale Graphics both of whom have a substantial awareness of the various Ferranti fleets. I would be intrigued to discover the background on 'Atticus' (G-ATUS) as I had always imagined that Denis operated this while it was registered to Quinton Hazell but, we may be entirely wrong (it wouldn't be the first time). Identifying the shield on the side of Atticus might be a good start. I am in touch with several members of the Ferranti family and will try and discover the origins behind the naming of 'HoverKnights'. * * * Some BEA nostalgia: http://lh5.ggpht.com/__dRpfF8qlVM/TT...Hel%20Unit.jpg Bell 47B of British European Airways (BEA) known as 'Sir Balan' at White Waltham in June 1952. The craft was operated by BEA's experimental helicopter unit. (Photo: Frank Hudson) S. |
'Atticus' Shield
Savoia
I also had a look at 'Atticus' (G-ATUS) shield in the photo posted in this thread and it looks like some sort of animal in the heraldic rampant position in red & gold on a black background. I thought it might be the Quinton Hazell logo but that is red dragon on a white background (see link Quinton Hazell logo, Vector Logo of Quinton Hazell brand free download (eps, ai, png, cdr) formats). Could it be a Ferranti family crest? or even Sir Quinton's own? Perhaps your contacts could confirm? Re the Ferranti info, glad to be of help. I look forward to your Ferranti Helicopters tribute site later this year. |
Looking for Mr Roy Spooner
Hello
My name is Constantine. I am trying to get in touch with Roy Spooner of Spooner Aviation. About a year and a half ago, I bought a 1976 white lotus esprit registration number OPH 633R. I am currently restoring it to it's original condition. I have been in touch with Lotus Cars and for their archives, they have sent me a certificate of vehicle provenance which includes the original owner. The selling dealer was a company called Bell and Colvill based in West Horsley, and the original owner was Spooner Aviation LTD of Shoreham-by-sea. The car is currently back in Norfolk being reupholstered by the man who worked at Lotus in 1976. I would really like to get in touch with Mr Spooner to find out some more information about the history of the car. Any contact information would be very useful. I hope someone out there can help me in my search. My contact details are: Constantine Herodotou [email protected] Tel. +357 99404576 |
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De Havilland, have been looking into the identity of the shield and, much like you, initially thought it could have been Quinton Hazell's red dragon/griffon but believe it is most likely a lion. Am trying to get a copy of both Quinton's and Denis' coat of arms. Will certainly keep you posted on the progress of the Ferranti site. Much now accomplished and still much to do! Red Button, Dennisimo (aka Dennis Kenyon - former world helicopter free-style champion and former MD of Spoonair which was owned by Roy Spooner) should be along soon and will hopefully be able to answer your question. Some more nostalgia, this from Redhill: http://lh4.ggpht.com/__dRpfF8qlVM/TU...artlett%29.jpg Westland Whirlwind WS-55 Srs 3 G-AYNP on contract to HM Coastguard seen at Redhill on 2nd September 1973. (Photo: Trevor Bartlett) How 'Bristowers' used to train: http://lh5.ggpht.com/__dRpfF8qlVM/TU...artlett%29.jpg Hiller UH-12C G-APMR at Redhill on 2nd September 1973. (Photo: Trevor Bartlett) S. |
Lotus enquiry
Red Button ... If you send me a PM, I can give you the info you are seeking as I flew my old boss Roy Spooner into West Horsley when he purchased the car from Bobby Bell. Dennis Kenyon.
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Looking for Mr Spooner
Hi Dennis
Thank you very much. Have sent you an e-mail through this site, and I have also sent you a PM. |
Looking for Mr Spooner
Hi Dennis
Thank you very much. Have sent you an e-mail through this site, and I have also sent you a PM. I would also like to congratulate you all on a very pleasant an interesting thread. Best regards Constantine |
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This image is a tag to the posts appearing on page 15 in which Air Gregory is discussed: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/__...England%29.jpg Air Gregory Hughes 300C G-AWVL at Denham on 5th September 1970 (Photo: Chris England) https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/__...artlett%29.jpg AgustaBell 206B G-AYBE at Middle Wallop on 28th July 1973. (Photo: Trevor Bartlett) GAYBE was registered to United Marine Ltd. in April 1970. She was then shipped off to France in May of 1977 returning to the UK in March 1996. Any details about GAYBE's operations while registered to United Marine would be most welcome. S. |
Air Gregory
And the daft thing is ... the lane in the picture behind the 269 AND the rickety gate are still there forty years later!
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300C?
269A more like. High speed tail rotor, low center console, RHD, short mast and all! Pure class right down to the colour! |
Brit Copters
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Doubtless old hat for British PPRuNers but I had never seen this Robbo before! https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/__...hompson%29.jpg G-NOXY landing at Manchester Barton on 8th February 2011 (Photo: Brian Thompson) https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/__...bNg/G-SWEL.jpg Another swell Brit Copter! S. |
Love the R44.
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G-AWDU
Hi, my first time on here, so I hope I'm posting this on the correct thread- apologies if I've got it wrong.:)
I'm not a pilot, but was once a little girl who was the proud owner of a small blue pedal car. I was looking at some old photos with my mum last night and came across this one taken on the car park of the De Tabley Arms, Ribchester, Lancashire on 28th October 1969. http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...onvertible.jpg I now own a little 2 seater MGF sportscar and so posted the photo of my first ever convertible on the MGF/TF forum. To my delight, within an hour someone had been back on to tell me that 40 odd years on, G-AWDU was still flying!!!:ok: I have stumbled across your forum whilst trying to find out some more information about the helicopter. I hope someone finds this picture of interest. I'd love to know who the pilot was if anyone recognises him. LancashireLass ;) |
No idea who the pilot was but from 1968-1973 DU was owned by A Smith (Culcheth) Ltd, 38 Bond Street, Leigh, Lancashire. Data from the G-INFO site.
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What a great photo Lancslass but that helicopter spoils the shot ;) Your pedal car looks like an early Cortina or perhaps a TR4??
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Thanks for the replies, I'm reliably informed by the petrolheads on the MG forum that it's a model of a Ford Corsair! A company called Crayfords converted 3 real standard Corsairs into ragtops, all for showrooms, and these were the inspiration for the pedal cars.
The address in Leigh would make sense, as it's not too far from where we lived (in a straight line at least!) No-one can remember why the helicopter landed there, just that my older brothers wanted to go and look at it so walked across- apparantly I INSISTED on 'driving' - some things never change !!!:) |
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LancashireLass: Welcome to the Nostalgia thread on Rotorheads! Yes, you've come to the right place and, well done on your inaugural post! At the time of your photo the craft in question was jointly owned by A. Smith Ltd (as mentioned by CharlieOneSix and TRC) and by F.V. Alderman, also of Lancashire. Hopefully before long, someone may come along and identify the pilot for you. Smith and Alderman sold the aircraft (a Brantly B-2B) in 1974 to A&B Cars of Newton-le-Willows in Merseyside. Towards the end of the 70's the aircraft was bought by one of the UK's celebrated helicopter personalities and a regular contributor to this thread - Dennis Kenyon. If you skip back to page 16 you can read Dennis' comments on this aircraft (post #310) and on the same page in post #315 you can see what the aircraft looks like today. S. |
Cracking Photo.:D:D
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This has been a fantastic thread !! Hopefully Ive managed to post the next photo which I believe is G AYBE landing at the Hover's Factory in Merthyr Tydfil around 1975/76. I have always thought that this machine was owned by Oldway Properties in Merthyr Tydfil and was flown by Julian Verity. At the time, 1974/1976 there were only 2 privately owned Helicopters in South Wales (Possibly Wales) the Oldway Jet Ranger and my dads (Gerry Hill) Hughes 500C, G BBXF, based 3/4 miles away in Aberdare. My dad was taught to fly by Mike Smith at Air Gregory in Denham back in 1972, sadly he was killed in his 500 in June 1976. Some 20 years later I was about to learn to fly at Swansea Airport, one afternoon I bumped into Mike, who was there doing a friend of mine's LPC, after not seeing him for over 20 years I persauded him to teach me, it turned out that the Hughes 300 G AYLX that I owned a share in was the same machine that mike taught my dad to fly in some 20 years earlier !! I have my dads first log book and it looks really strange when you compare it to mine and see the entry's as both pilots in command G Hill / M Smith with the same call sign G AYLX with almost the same exercises but with different dates 1973/1993 http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1298152851 He bought his first Helicopter from I beleive Air Gregory, this is a picture of it landing at the Jolly Sailor Pub in Neyland Pembrokeshire in approx 1973. In the background you can see the unfinished Cleddau Bridge. Mike would regularly drop in if he was in Wales and stay with us, the next picture is of him landing a dark coloured Hughes 500 at our house again approximately in 1974/1975, unfortuantely I can't make out the call sign. http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1298152851 |
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Tailboom: What a great post, bravo! Great to see GAYBE at the Hoover factory. It would be wonderful to discover who the special visitor was that day. One sees that GAYBE is still wearing her ground handling wheels (as per post #383) and which would have made my godfather cringe! Merthyr Tydfil is of course an interesting place and this particular Hoover factory was where the bulk of their washing machines were manufactured. This same Merthyr facility also had the dubious honour of being the location where Sinclair's C5 'go-kart' was built. Merthyr was also home to Teddington Aircraft Controls who, among other things, manufactured the thermostat used by Rolls-Royce in the production of their Merlin engines. Another tidbit on Merthyr is that this is where, while testing drugs for the treatment of angina, it was discovered that one particular formula possessed certain 'elevating' properties. The drug was dropped as a solution for angina but went on to become known as Viagra. GAYBE does resemble BAVI, Oldway's 206, which also sported a red airframe but in the scheme preferred by Bell (as opposed to Agusta) in the late 60's and early 70's. PPRuNer SandyToad posted a photo of himself lifting off with BAVI from his parent's home in Warwickshire on page 18 (post #359) as well as a copy of the Oldway brochure on page 19 (post #362). Merthyr-based Oldway Helicopters sold BAVI to Goldington Investments of Hertfordshire in September '76 who in turn sold her to Trent Helicopters in March of '78. However, just weeks after buying her, Trent lost BAVI in a tragic accident which occurred in poor weather over the Channel with the loss of all on board. I am sorry to read of the loss of your father in G-BBXF and which also seems to have been a weather related accident. God knows we have all been there Tailboom and I am recalling one of my own scenarios, also in a Hughes 500, where I got socked in a valley with nowhere to go and had to resort to drastic measures to get myself out. Similarly sombre are your reflections on G-AYLX which, I only discovered some weeks ago, was the aircraft in which my dear friend Dennis so tragically lost his son. For what its worth my only piston hours (12 in total) were in AYLX, also with Mike Smith. As you will have discovered many years ago, aviation is a bitter-sweet affair which can take you to the upper extremities of satisfaction one moment and plunge you into the depths of despair the next. It is perhaps the reason you can find helicopter pilots who reflect this polarity in their character. Many tend to be 'all or nothing' types. Dennis will I am sure agree though that flying is for some a drug which, once hooked, places you beyond rehabilitation! I dedicate this post to the memory of your father Gerry Hill and also to that of Dennis' son, Dennis Kenyon Jnr. S. |
Savoia thank you for your kind words.
It was interesting to see that you flew 12 hours in G AYLX with Mike Smith, as said previously Mike tought me to fly and I then went on to do my Instructor Course with him, I was aware of the tragic accident with LX, it deeply shocked and upset me, I have not met Dennis yet, but read all his posts and articles on Pprune and Blades with great interest. Mike has been very kind to me over the years and I can honestly say that the 12 weeks I spent living with him and Mary at their home in Banbury was an experience not to be missed, I can understand how Mike and my Dad became such good friends, what a fantastic character !! |
Assorted Nostalgia
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Bell 47B G-AKCX arrives on the roof of a Paris department store in late 1947 as part of a promotional visit to France. The tailboom depicts the wording "Irvin Bell Helicopter Sales Ltd., Letchworth, England" a company which was established earlier the same year as the result of a partnership between Leslie Irvin (founder of the Irvin Air Chute Company), Scottish Aviation and the Bell Aircraft Corporation of Buffalo, New York. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/__...%20Airport.jpg BEA S-51 G-AJOV Dragonfly known as 'Sir Lamorah' being readied for the service from Liverpool to Cardiff via Wrexham Heliport. Liverpool Airport 2nd June 1950. (Later sold to Autair). https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/__...Apr%201955.jpg The BEA Bristol Sycamore G-AMWG known as 'Sir Gawan' rests between sorties at Gatwick in April 1955. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/__...20-%20Copy.jpg Actress Florence Desmond, one of the wives of the late Charles Hughesdon, socialises with friends at one of her husband's rotary garden parties held at Duneborough House in Ripley, Surrey on 30th July 1956. (For more on Charles Hughesdon and his helicopter garden parties see page 10 of this thread). https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/__...0mid%2060s.jpg BEA S-61 G-ASNL lands alongside the Queen Mary in the 60's. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/__...h%2060%27s.jpg The inimitable Mike Smith with an Air Gregory Hughes 300 pitching to a representative of the Metropolitan Police c.1960's. (For more on Air Gregory see page 15 of this thread. For more on the Metropolitan Police see pages 8, 13 & 14). https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/__...urburgring.jpg The Swedish racing driver Ronnie Peterson arrives at the 1976 Grand Prix in Nurburgring, Germany courtesy of Uniroyal's 500C. S. |
G-AYLX & Thoughts
A warm 'thanks' for my friend and flying colleague 'S' and 'Tailboom' for your kind remembrances and the dedication for my son Dennis Junior. My log book tells me I first flew LX at Shoreham in 1976 and I'm trying to recall the pilot who flew it in for me to try. (well built tallish chap - maybe Richard Reeve?) It was the standard 300C red/white in those days. I purchased the ship in 1998 when I re-registered it as G-ZAPS. At age 18, young Den passed his ;pre-instructor course' flight check in it with Mike Smith at Wellesbourne, just one month before the fatal day. Thanks to you all for the memories even tho' so uinhappy. But as 'S' says ... rotary aviation IS a powerful drug and I have to stay with it. AND my ownership of the B2 G-AWDU is also a fond memory.
Trying to forget the horror of March 2000 I can ... even now say that my last ten years in helicopter aviation have probably been my best ... Hoping to be a writer and aviation correspondent, since 2000 I've gotten to fly. S-61 with my mate Glenn Stracey on SAR at Portland. BK117 air ambulance with Luke Morgan at Sterling, EC 130 with Maverick over the Grand Canyon, the Bell 429 at Blackbushe, then EC 135 with Essex ASU and ditto the Hermes version at Eurocopter, Kidlington. At some time, I tried the Westland Scout and Wasp for LOOP. What else. A couple of months ago I flew the Rotorway 162F with Kevin Longhurst and just this week, Jeremy Taylor's beautiful Gazelle for the new BLADES and only yesterday Robinson's R66. Some God took something away from my life ... but also brought something back. Bless all flyers out there, fly safe. Dennis Kenyon. |
More Candy!
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Calls for assistance in building the early history of http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/443...licopters.html has yielded a number of emails including one today in which an image of G-BBUX was attached. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/__...Blackbushe.jpg Bell 206B G-BBUX belonging to Peter Cadbury at Blackbushe on 11th July 1976 (Photo: Peter Nicholson) The first thing which drew my attention was the golden Pegasus towards the rear of the fuselage which looked decidedly similar to that which appeared on Cadbury's craft. A little bit of research and lo and behold, she was indeed in the Cadbury stable. So, just as with Mr Chopper's disclosure on page 7 that Cadbury had owned an Ecureuil, this has come as another welcome revelation. Cadbury's rotorcraft would therefore seem to have been: G-BBUX Bell 206B Dec '75 to Sept '77 G-CHOC Bell 206B Sept '77 to Nov '80 G-JANY AS 350B Oct '79 to Nov '81 Trivia: Interestingly both BUX and CHOC were Bells as opposed to AgustaBells but both passed through Mann's at various points. BUX was infact bought by Mann's from William Monks builders merchants of Sheffield in August of '75 - the same firm that Mann's went on to sell G-WIZZ to in '77. Almost as soon as Mann's took delivery of BUX it was sold on to Peter Cadbury. Mann's were doubtless involved in the re-sale of BUX to British Car Auctions in '77 when Cadbury took delivery of CHOC. Thanks to Tarman we know that CHOC was previously D-HMAC and which one assumes was imported from Germany on behalf of Cadbury by Manns. S. |
G-bbux & G-bbuy
Good evening Savoia,
We all love this thread and the memory jogging nostalgic pics that keep appearing ... now you show G-BBUX which I flew many times before selling. In the early 1970s, I was pretty active in sales having sold 300 aircraft or so while I was with Spooner Aviation. I purchased two B206s one week and registered them consecutively. G-BBUX and G-BBUY. I sold G-BBUX to a Mr Bill Gates of the Monks Group but taught him to fly on an Enstrom from his Hunstanton holiday home which you could do in those days. Most of the flying was done at Norwich Airport. Being a weighty fellah, he hated the piston and in short time, I took the Enstrom, G-BBBZ back for the new Bell. The price for a new Forth Worth B206 was £84,000 believe it or not. The Enstrom 28A just £23,000. AMH were the Agusta Distributor in the 1970s, but I purchased the above two Fort Worth machines from the Bell distributor, CSE at Kidlington. Now who do I remember at Fairoaks AMH. The old boss himself of course, who was always bringing back boxes of huge fresh salmon from his Scotland home. He was also a good model aircraft flyer. Alan Mann sponsored the Frank Gardner Lotus Cortina which I raced against around 1967/68. I never won though! There was a Dave Green in the maintenance division. Chief engineer was a Jock something, a nice rotund fellow who was an ace diagnostic engineer. I was talking to Gary Savage just a week or so ago. Gary would have been with the company in the 1970s as was Ken Davies the Bell 47 instructor whose party pice was to autorotate to the centre of the field, touch skids down only to lift off for a 180 degree turn still without power. I'm pretty sure Alan Mann raced in his early days. All happy memories for me and hopefully others. Bye for now. Dennis Kenyon. |
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Bravo Dennisimo! What is extraordinary is that for as many different craft emerge on this thread .. you have had some connection with most of them. Great stuff! In Speechless Two's excellent recollections of his Rhodesian expedition on page four of this thread, he posted an image of the chief engineer assigned to their operation from Dollar Helicopters, one Roy Neep (below). https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/__...2/roy-neep.jpg I now discover that there was a Dollar 206 bearing his name: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/__...easdale%29.jpg Bell 206B G-NEEP at Coventry, May 1989 (Photo: Bill Teasdale) Is it reasonable to assume therefore that this craft was indeed named in his honour? Some years back we had an engineer who requested if we could re-register one of our craft after the name of his girlfriend! He offered to pay the re-registration fees and so we duly obliged. As I understand it he took a number of 'saucy' images of his lass in various poses around the aircraft. Sadly I never got to see them. This post goes to all the ground crews whose (mostly) fantastic work keeps us going! S. |
Dollar had a habit of registering aircraft with company people's names.
G-CULL - Mike Cull was chief pilot & instructor in various operations with Dollar. He did my 206 conversion at Norwich. G-ORME - Mike Orme was a company pilot and then became a director. G-DOLR - self explanatory G-NEEP - as previously mentioned. This aircraft had a tracker system fitted so that British Gas could keep an eye on us - strangely once the circuit breaker had been found in the boot, the system never seemed to work :E Many happy hours flying all of the above. Incidentally, when Roy Neep retired, his position as engineering director was taken by a certain John Cloggie who is now a big cheese at Bristow |
GNEEP and the BG aerial survey dept
Does anybody remember Tony New who from memory was the British Gas observer? He had the best job in BG, spent 3 days each week flying along all the transmission mains around the country. Tried in vain at getting a job with that section.
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Now who do I remember at Fairoaks AMH.... There was a Dave Green in the maintenance division. Chief engineer was a Jock something, a nice rotund fellow who was an ace diagnostic engineer. Ken Davies the Bell 47 instructor.... |
Crossing my Kens
Ah TRC..Now I remember that wonderful Ken Summers... and course Ken Davies who I should have remembered as I met him up at Lord Grosvenors majestic place .... 'Tis the sinility of it all ... ten thousand apologies! DK
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Recent Nostalgia
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British International S-61N G-BFFJ undergoing cosmetic changes at Dunsfold on 27th August 2009 (Photo: David Reeves) https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/__...0Reeves%29.jpg And was transformed some hours later into this (Photo: David Reeves) This BIH S61 was hired by Rainmark Films in 2009 for the production of 'The Special Relationship' a movie documenting the relationship between Bush and Blair. The respray evidently took place in the Top Gear hangar at Dunsfold, taking just a few hours, after which the craft was dispatched to a hotel in Wiltshire which was portrayed as 'Chequers' in the film. The aircraft returned to base, the paint was washed off and it was back in regular service the following day. Does anyone know which country house hotel this might have been and, out of curiosity, which type of paint is used for these type of applications? S. |
Very nice.
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Paint type
Some painting is done with a material called Spray-Lat, it is put on thick with an air gun or roller and once dry can be peeled off in sheets with the residue washed off. Lots of production companies use it.
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More 70's Pictures
Here is a picture of my dad Gerry Hill flying Miss World 1972 into Port Talbot Plant in 1973, its a shame that I didn't have a picture from the other direction, but ive copied the caption on the back of the photo
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1299019987 Miss World Belinda Green Visiting Port Talbot Plant with Gerry Hill 1973, the reason she was flying in the Hughes 300c was that she opened the Aberdare Motorshow earlier in the day. http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1299020331 The Back of The Previous Photograph, I looked her up on the internet and her name is Belinda Roma Green and not "L" The next picture is of the daughters of my Dad friend, "Frank The Bank", he was the local Bank Manager of the TSB in Aberdare around 1973, my dad used to land on a disused tennis court at our home, where he also stored New VW Beetles that were waiting to be sold in his VW Dealership in Hirwaun Aberdare http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1299020726 And finally G BAAN hovering over the new VW Passat in the Brecon Beacons again around 1973 http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1299020995 |
Yet more nostalgia?
Stumbled across a website about "Alec Wortley Helicopters" that I thought might be of interest to those involved with the rotary nostalgia thread:
DR ALEC WORTLEY HELICOPTERS The gallery section shows a number of B47 photographs, but mixed in with them are two containing B206s (including G-BALC) and two with a Westland Scout. The site makes for some interesting reading - including an invoice from Dec 1978 that demonstrates how aviation was just as expensive 32 years ago! Simon |
.... including an invoice from Dec 1978 that demonstrates how aviation was just as expensive 32 years ago! In 1972 ish, the hourly rate in the UK for a 206 was £60, about twice the gross weekly wage of a working man, much as it is now. However, the landing fee for a 206 at Battersea then was £3.00 (£1 per 1000lbs) - about 10% of said weekly wage. What's the landing fee now for a 206 (if it's even allowed to land there now), and what percentage of the weekly wage does it equate to? |
Does anyone know .... which type of paint is used for these type of applications? I've been involved with the temporary painting of maybe 20 helicopters using this stuff, easy and quick to put on and take off. Five of us did a Mi-8 in black gloss in about 5 hours on, and a similar time to clean it off again. There's an aircraft paint spraying company in the UK that have been doing this for years, and have got it sorted. I have also been faced with a 355 that had been done in a rubbery coating that started to inflate itself around windscreens and doorframes in flight - not ideal - and a pair of 205's completely covered in Fablon. I would definately recommend that you DON'T do either of these processes, especially if it's likely to get rained on. |
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How thoughtful of Dollar to name his craft after his vital assets ;) - well done! Thanks for the comments re: paint. One tends to think of paint as being highly adhesive and I have always wondered therefore how it just 'washes off'! Fantastic nostalgia by Tailboom and Helisdw! :ok: S. |
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